Speaker 6: 0:18

Welcome everybody to Steel Watching, the podcast for Steel fans. I am Eric, and I had a mixed week this week. My wife made chili, which should be fantastic, but she gave half of it away. So my week was ruined. She gave it to my daughter and son-in-law, so my

Speaker 1: 0:38

Does she have any for me? Because I'll take some.

Speaker 6: 0:40

No, I hey. My rule on my wife's chili is mine, mine, mine, mine,

Speaker: 0:48

And I'm Sarah, and I'm apparently not getting any chili. So sad.

Speaker 6: 0:53

Well, it would be hard to mail, you know.

Speaker 1: 0:55

That's the true that would be awkward. And it's a rotating strike right now. So it might get here, but it might not be till Christmas, would be bad.

Speaker: 1:05

Yeah, it would be not be a good thing.

Speaker 6: 1:10

we are looking at season four, episode seven, Premium Steel.

Speaker: 1:15

Yay!

Speaker 6: 1:16

You had said that this is one of your favorite episodes, of all the series.

Speaker 1: 1:21

Yeah, it's it's definitely up there, so I'm excited.

unknown: 1:24

Yeah.

Speaker 6: 1:24

It first aired on December 3, 1985, was written by It's the first time we've had him. Yep. And directed by Gabrielle Beaumont, which is the second of her three episodes Illustrated Steel, this one, Premium then also Steel in the Running coming up.

Speaker 1: 1:40

She's kind of knocking it out of the park in terms of the two episodes that she's directed. They're both really good.

Speaker 6: 1:45

So well, in all fairness, a lot of that is the script. I mean true, true. Granted, a good director can take a bad script and make it better, but only so far. I mean, you know, you lipstick on a pig might might it somewhat, but a pig is still a pig. Well, but if you know she's had good episodes.

Speaker 1: 2:08

If you think of Illustrated Steel, the transitions had between the comic panels and what was actually that was really artistic and really clever. So you're I you're right. If it's a bad script, there's not much you can do, but she a good script and made it quite really good.

Speaker 6: 2:24

So yes. So anyway, um let's get on with the synopsis, which I have from Judith's book, Steel Loved After All These Years. And I went with the TV guide listing, although the the the are are good too, but I went with TV guide because that's of been our standard here. So it goes something like this. In fact, it goes exactly like this. The reports of my death have been greatly exaggerated, or so claims garlic farmer Lester Shane when a phony obituary to ruin his life.

Speaker 1: 3:01

So um, I don't know if you looked into this. That phrase, that quote, do you know where it originated?

Speaker 6: 3:08

Uh as soon as you say it, I'll know, but I I can't pull it to the top of my head. Yeah.

Speaker 1: 3:14

So it was Mark Twain, although it's Yes, yes. So it's one of those quotes that is frequently quoted You know, like Luke, I am your father, which isn't actually what they say in the film. In this case, the reports of my death have been greatly is paraphrasing what Mark Twain actually said. Uh there was a death hoax, and it was similar to what has in this episode. Newspapers printed f falsely printed news of his death, he said something like, The report of my death was an So it's a paraphrase, but yeah, it was Mark Twain.

Speaker 6: 3:50

It works better this way, though.

Speaker 1: 3:52

It does work. It really does.

Speaker 6: 3:55

Anyway, well, we start with an establishing shot of the Del Capri Hotel. The camera pans to the front door of the hotel, and we see man walk out. He's dressed in a nice suit, so he's not a bum, but he a bit disheveled. His tie is not tied snug, he hasn't shaved, and he's and he has a piece of paper in his hand. He makes his way to a news rack, buys a newspaper, then over to another newspaper rack, buys a different paper, and steps over to yet another newspaper rack and buys yet another and different paper.

Speaker 1: 4:30

Remember when those existed, those things where you can money in and get newspapers out of them? Yeah.

Speaker 6: 4:36

Well, I remember that well, I don't I don't know if had these, but uh something called the nickel ads, uh uh basically a freebie that was Oh, we used to call that the penny saver.

Speaker 1: 4:47

Is that the same thing?

Speaker 6: 4:48

Okay, probably. Yeah, they they had a few maybe local interest items in them, but mostly it was advertisements like your your uh ads.

Speaker 1: 4:59

Right, yeah.

Speaker 6: 5:00

So they would be in the rack that they had their uh theirs weren't as sophisticated, they were just basically a a wooden, like a small cabinet that had shelves on it, and they just them up there, and you just because because there was no involved, you know, they didn't have to worry about the the door closing on the front and locking it to until somebody put a queen in. Oh no. There was a uh newspaper anybody from the Royal Canadian Police or the Toronto local pol constabulary. Do not listen to this, do not listen. Please go take a short break.

Speaker 1: 5:34

So, so Eric, it wouldn't it wouldn't be the RCMP or the police that would that would get me. It would be the either the Ontario Provincial Police or the London City Police. But either way, don't listen. Don't listen. Um but I have a confession to make. There used to be a um newspaper stand rack thingy outside realize I'm not wearing my my clerical collar today. Outside the diner that my parents used to own, and this is they owned it. But there was a um there was something wrong with it. It was we we found this out sort of accidentally that if you clicked it a certain way, it would just open. You could get the paper out without putting money in it. So we regularly stole the Toronto Star. No, it was a London Free Press. Sorry, it was a London Free Press, but we'd grab it because you could just go in there and get a paper and you had to shake it a certain way, but it if you jimmied it, it would

Speaker 6: 6:27

So well, you know, the thing is, for a long, long time, claimed that the subscription price or the the the the newspaper was was really meaningless because they made their money from advertising, you know, classified newspaper ads. And it's like, okay, then why do you keep raising the rates of the Exactly?

Speaker 1: 6:49

Anyway, that's my confession. You keep going. I've got I got that off my chest.

Speaker 6: 6:55

Yes. I'm I'm uh let's see, what should be your penance? Uh anyway, yes, he he pulls one of the newspapers opens starts tearing through the pages as he blindly walks down sidewalk and into the street in front of a truck, which to stop in a hurry. And of course, the driver honks his horn at the man. And blindly he continues across the street, almost like he hear the horn, didn't know what's going on, didn't pay And he's still tearing at the pages, and then into another of traffic, forcing yet another motorist to slam on their to prevent hitting him, along with another blast of the

Speaker 1: 7:33

It's funny because he's looking for news of his death while potentially causing it. Well, yeah, that's just walked into traffic.

Speaker 6: 7:40

Well, I mean, hey, if you're already dead, what is it right?

Speaker 2: 7:43

Exactly.

Speaker 6: 7:45

Well, next we are at the agency. Steele is at his desk, sitting in his chair, feet up on the desk, reading the manual for a brand new VCR, which is on top of its box on his desk.

Speaker 1: 7:57

Okay, I have two questions.

Speaker 6: 7:59

Okay.

Speaker 1: 8:00

One I'll ask later, but one I'm gonna ask now.

Speaker 4: 8:02

Okay.

Speaker 1: 8:03

He has a VCR. Is this just because he wants it in his room as well as in living room? Because we know he has a VCR. We've we've seen them what the when the Atomic Man they're watching the tape in his living room.

Speaker 6: 8:14

Uh unless they rented a machine for that particular

Speaker 1: 8:18

But yeah, it it's I I find it very hard to believe someone him wouldn't have a VCR in his living room at this point.

Speaker 6: 8:25

It's apparently because it does go into his bedroom, so that's the purpose of it, then yes.

Speaker 1: 8:31

Okay. And I looked into the cost of these machines, and some of would run anywhere between $200 and $400 equivalently is kind of insane when you think about it, because I could down to a actually uh probably more than that, because I the first VCR I got from my parents, because I was working at a remember that that story I told you about, JAFCO, just company.

Speaker 6: 9:00

Um I I got a VCR for them, and it was a low-end model, was like a couple hundred dollars at least. And that was just a basic model. So I well I I some of them I think in the in that time well over $500, depending on whether it was beta or VHS. Uh VHS was always cheaper.

Speaker 1: 9:25

Yeah.

Speaker 6: 9:25

And then also the quality of the machine.

Speaker 1: 9:29

And minus my second question will be to do with hooking up because I think this episode is um making things more than it needs to be. I have hooked many a VCR up in my day. And not necessarily.

Speaker 6: 9:48

I'm sorry. It's just not 1980s. I think 1980s. There are some complications. So we'll get we'll get okay, fine, we'll get there. We'll get there. Anyway, uh, where were we? Yes, it's sitting on top of his desk. And although he is confused as he tries to decipher all technobabel contained within the pages, which read 28 remote with direct keypad tuning and built-in MTS, even though he's confused, he's clearly excited about the machine, it his little beauty.

Speaker 1: 10:19

Yeah. Do you know what the built-in MTS is?

Speaker 6: 10:22

I looked that up, and uh in VCR's MTS or multi-channel sound is a system for encoding stereo audio along with a mono signal, as well as a secondary audio program called SAP into an analog TV broadcast, which allows for a second language, often Spanish or French, or descriptive audio for the visually impaired. Yes. Okay.

Speaker 1: 10:50

I looked it up too. Yeah. Uh, because that was the only part of it. Because I, like I said, I was sitting here watching this thinking, I don't know how it's this complicated. It I remember what you had to do. In fact, I've got the instructions in front of me when we there because I just yeah, I I I went down a Google for some of this episode. And yeah, so I I looked up. I'm like, okay, the MTS thing is the only is the only part this that I don't recognize or that's not pinging any But obviously it it it probably exists. Like I probab we probably had it on one of our machines, but just didn't um the other thing I I found when I was going my rabbit hole um was that 1985 was sort of a um a pivotal for for VCRs and video cassettes because this was the year the sale of video cassettes for home viewing eclipsed office. And there was actually some concern that the that VCRs were gonna kill off uh theatrical movie going, that it of destroy the theater experience. Because um this article that I found said as the VCR was by households across North America, the film industry was nervously. In May 1986, the technology which allowed users to video cassettes or make home recordings of TV broadcasts was being adopted by an estimated one million households per in North America. This virtual explosion of VCR sales has had some major At CBC's, this is from the CBC. Um so this is Canadian, but still it it translated over into the US. Sure. Um Kalina visited The Set of Wisdom, a movie written, directed by, and starring Emilia Vestavez. It was aimed squarely at Hollywood's prime youth market, and according to recent research, almost half the market watching it on home video. And so the people who run Hollywood are looking to see is the VCR a friend or is it an enemy? Jack Valenti, head of Motion Picture Association of wasn't making any predictions. I don't think anybody could tell you whether or not the of the VCR will have a cataclysmic or a beneficent effect the movie business. Four years earlier, he seemed to lean into the cataclysmic when he compared the VCR to a serial killer in testimony the U.S. Congress. One thing was certain, the video store business was and people weren't just renting and buying Hollywood movies, but instructional videos. You can plunk in a cassette and work out with Jane T, or even Mickey Mouse, said Colina as the camera scanned shelves at a tower video store in LA. You can finally learn how to appreciate wine. So yeah, they were they were quite nervous about the VCR and its presence in in people's homes, which is kind of because if you think about the comparison to now, uh is sort of taking that place because now you got a lot of that are being made specifically for streaming and theaters entirely, or maybe going into theaters for a week that they can be eligible for the Oscars. But beyond that, there's a market there that doesn't exist in theaters anymore. And I think that's going to have more of an impact than the VCR did.

Speaker 6: 13:41

But oh, it already has.

Speaker 1: 13:43

Yeah. So I just thought that was interesting.

Speaker 6: 13:45

In a lot of respects, not just in how they distribute movies, but it's also had a a very sharp and arguably detrimental on the uh rest of the industry, the actors, the the uh ever everybody. But um thing about VCRs is that the given the quality of uh both the TVs and the VCRs at the time, uh the the image did not at all compare to what you would get in a theater Oh definitely not. But uh as with audio cassettes, the television and movie was fighting against the d the technology, trying to get it first of all declared illegal to use. And failing that, they managed to get a bunch of taxes so that every time you bought a machine or you bought a tape, you were actually paying a hidden tax. It wasn't it didn't show up on the on the list on on your as you know, tax on VCR, tax on you know blank video But there was a tax in there added, and as far as I know, taxes, all of those taxes on both the video cassettes, the and on audio cassettes still are still in force.

Speaker 1: 15:02

They are, but and it and in comparing the streaming, a lot of those residuals or rights percentages, what have you, are not going to filmmakers or or writers. So that's we had a right a writer strike recently for that because uh that's just yeah, they're gonna have to fight that as well as as an element.

Speaker 6: 15:30

And bye-bye, you're gone. Yeah, you you get nothing further. And so yeah.

Speaker 1: 15:34

What's especially frustrating about it is that at VCRs and video cassettes, if you bought the movie, it was you owned it as a consumer, right? With streaming services, like I I just re Oh, it's so because we watched Hocus Pocus earlier today. Now Disney came out with a sequel to it. It's on Disney Plus. Is it on DVD? No, they released it only for Disney Plus, and so you in order to access it, you have to pay to keep Disney Plus forever and hope that they don't just pull it like they did with the TV series Willow that I never got to see. So it it it's it's less like you're allowed to own these now and and more like you're renting them again, but they take that rental away from you at any time, and it's very because I would like to own that movie. I don't want to just some someday find that it's gone and be able to see it again. That's extremely annoying.

Speaker 6: 16:27

So yeah, and and what's even more annoying uh or a more aspect to that is that they can and do regularly change the content of the movies. And now if you're talking to somebody about a particular movie and you say, Well, remember that scene, and it's what talking about? That that wasn't in there, or when when they they pulled this thing, you know. Exactly. Yeah, what are you talking about? That it wasn't this, it was they pulled out that. It's like, but you can't prove that you were right, even you are right, because all it's it's like the uh memory in uh 1984, it's gone. Yeah, you have no way of proving what you know to be the because all evidence of it has been destroyed, and you don't have any kind of a physical copy, independent of the who are putting it out, to say, no, see, this is actually did happen. So, yeah, and Amazon has been doing that same thing, pulling books off of people's candles. They bought them, they thought, well, I own this. Nope. What happened to it? Well, we pulled the book. Well, why? Well, because the publisher decided they didn't want out there anymore.

Speaker 1: 17:43

Yeah. I don't have a Kindle, but I have a Kobo and that it which a Canadian equivalent, but yeah, I couldn't that Barnes and Noble?

Speaker 6: 17:53

I thought it was just a Canadian um because uh you I know it it's available as an app on multiple devices, so yeah. But I thought I thought it was uh either way, they can do same thing there.

Speaker 1: 18:08

They can take the books off and then suddenly there's your you could do it right in the middle. You're writing halfway through the book, it's gone.

Speaker 6: 18:15

Yeah, because you didn't actually buy it. What you did was you licensed the right to use it until time that they decide you don't have the right to use it

Speaker 1: 18:22

Hey, if buying isn't owning, then piracy isn't stealing.

Speaker 6: 18:25

Well, there's an argument for that. There is a very strong argument for that. And think about the fact that even in newer cars, a lot of electronics in there functions for the electronics that get, oh, it's got this feature, that feature, the yeah, all software, yeah, and it's all licensed, and they could that at any time.

Speaker 1: 18:45

So bring back VCRs.

Speaker 6: 18:48

That's been a real big uh hassle with Tesla owners. Uh Tesla owners buy a car with these features and then they sell resell it to somebody else, and the new owner car that was originally purchased with these features. The features were bought and paid for, but they have to rebuy them because Tesla says, well, yeah. So I mean, but anyway, all right. Where were we? Yes.

Speaker 1: 19:13

Sorry, I took us down a VCR rabbit hole.

Speaker 6: 19:16

Yes. Uh he's on the on the he's sitting on his chair, feet up the desk, reading the manual. He's excited about his little beauty and the phone buzzes. And without even looking away from the manual, he reaches picks up the receiver, and immediately says, No Mildred.

Speaker 1: 19:31

Yeah, he's very busy. Important.

Speaker 6: 19:33

Yes. Important, important one. She tries to talk to him, but he won't have it, telling her, I need to concentrate. Thank you. And he not quite slams the phone down, still trying to what built-in MTS is. And as he continues mumbling at the content of the he reads, Mildred, taking his no interruptions admonition not too seriously.

Speaker 1: 19:57

Well, because she he's not the boss anymore. She could have to listen to him.

Speaker 6: 20:01

Well, that's true. She's uh she steps in saying, sorry, boss, but I think you to. But of course, she doesn't finish. She spots the VCR on his desk and apparently not recognizing it, asks what it is. Steele pauses in his reading, looks at her, and pointing the VCR, tells her, investigative tool. Could break a case someday.

Speaker: 20:21

Yeah.

Speaker 6: 20:22

Mildred doesn't challenge him, although it's apparent that simply trying to justify his purchase of a toy, apparently missed out on his chance to buy a boat.

Speaker: 20:31

Yeah, that's true, actually.

Speaker 6: 20:34

Mildred tells Steele that there's a gentleman in reception really upset. And Steele tries to pawn the man off onto Laura with the that she's the expert at dealing with distressed gentlemen. Mildred reminds him that she's finishing up the security And besides, the man wants to see Steele specifically. Frustrated, Steele currently says, Please, Mildred, I'm in the middle of but he's interrupted by Laura coming in from the middle office saying that she needs his signature on a of documents. Steele, sensing his opportunity to rid himself of tells her that he's glad she's there because they have a outside. Okay. Then he turns back, waves his hands, dismissing the women, back to his manual. Mildred leaves and closes the door behind her. And with a chastising look and tone of voice, Laura tells that she sincerely hopes that agency funds did not pay for as she indicates the VCR.

Speaker 1: 21:33

And Steele, first of all, yes, of course they did. Of course they did. He was going to buy a freaking boat with agency funds. Does she honestly think he's not going to spring for a VCR agency funds?

Speaker 6: 21:45

She could have thought, well, we had that talk after he to buy the boat. Well, I mean, okay.

Speaker 1: 21:52

But there are two two other things for this. Okay. One, somebody in the Facebook group suggested that Steele ADHD. And I was sort of like jokingly, and I'm not here to or diagnose a fictional character, but the minute that said that, I thought, oh my god, yes, because his character has all the telltale sort of um classical ADHD symptoms, for men, because men it presents differently in men and Uh and for men, more hyperactive and impulsive symptoms interrupting others, restlessness, high-risk behaviors. I mean, the man is a con man, he's constantly doing high-risk stuff, um, poor organization, forgetfulness, acting without thinking. I mean, the dude almost bought me. Sorry. Hey, if it helps, I I I fit all the time.

Speaker 6: 22:48

With the possible exception of the organized part, try to be really organized, but I'm about 95%

Speaker 1: 22:59

But I mean, I check all the boxes for ADHD and women, so fine. It's fine. But like if you look at that, this is steel. The man almost bought a boat on a whim. Now he's got uh somebody in the comments said if the shoe Now you've got you'd walk off with it.

Speaker 3: 23:14

Yeah, I know.

Speaker 1: 23:15

Not only has it does he have a VCR, but people often forget too that the ADHD stands for attention deficit hyperactive. They focus on the hyperactive part and they forget the attention part, which yes, we're inattentive for some but for things we're really interested in, we hyper

Speaker 2: 23:33

Yes.

Speaker 1: 23:34

Exactly. There's a hyper focus. So steel is hyper focused on this VCR. And it's not until things get really serious in this episode that he kind of blinks out of that and starts to actually attention to the case. And this is him in pretty much every episode where he's got his sights focused on something else. It it really has to be something major to get him to shift focus because right now he's into his manual, he just wants to read his manual. Like that's his special interest, leave him alone. And ADHD people, we also have special interests. Steele is obsessed with old movies. This is this is him. Like this is so yeah, I just found that really funny when watching this. I'm like, yeah, he really does have ADHD. But also, any idea what brand this VCR is?

Speaker 6: 24:16

Because I was trying to look closely at the box and I really Yeah, it's um it's a it's a fictitious brand.

Speaker 1: 24:22

Okay.

Speaker 6: 24:23

APL.

unknown: 24:24

Okay.

Speaker 6: 24:25

I wondered if it was an actual That's those three big at the top. It's not a record.

Speaker 1: 24:29

An actual brand or if they were just making one up because had a telefunken when we were have you ever heard of that telefunken?

Speaker: 24:38

Yes.

Speaker 1: 24:39

Yeah. So I I looked it up because that thing last lasted and I mean forever. This thing we I remember my parents bought it in the 80s, and I still had it well into my twenties. So this thing did not die. It was a German machine, and according to what I've got here, when I looked it up, it would have been roughly eight and fifty dollars to thirteen hundred dollars in in hour Yeah, brand new. So my parents, I didn't realize they're spent some money on this thing because apparently this brand had some Like there was it it was uh considered to be one of the quality brands of VCR. It said being a strong brand in high-end audio professional gear, it wasn't like top, top tier, but it was pretty pretty good. So I just thought that was kind of interesting. And I wondered.

Speaker 6: 25:28

VHS, I presume.

Speaker 1: 25:29

Yeah, VHS. We beta was the better system, but it was more expensive, and there weren't as many movies that were released on beta. So that's kind of they they shot themselves in the foot a with that.

Speaker 6: 25:42

Well, they really shot themselves in the foot when they VHS to uh Matsushita, who's the parent company Panasonic. Sony actually developed both systems and they sold off the because it was a lower quality system, a lower quality but it was cheaper to manufacture, therefore the end of the machine was less expensive. And so people tended to buy that based on price.

Speaker 2: 26:10

Yeah.

Speaker 6: 26:11

It also wasn't as high a quality of an image as the beta. In fact, commercial use, like news, that sort of thing, they all used a a a beta system.

Speaker: 26:22

That's not surprising.

Speaker 6: 26:23

So anyway, where were we? Back into the episode.

Speaker 1: 26:26

ADHD rabbit holes. That's where we were. And Mr. Steele is the king because he definitely is yeah, he's

Speaker 6: 26:34

Anyway, Steele, adopting the tactic of the best defense is a strong offense, tells Laura that it's an excellent explaining that they get an immediate 10% tax investment then that depreciates over a period of five years. And she picks up a smaller box sitting on the top of box that hold the held the VCR. She holds that other box up and asks, Gone with the wind? And snatching the box from her, Steele excuses it as a means of ensuring that the machine is functioning properly.

Speaker: 27:05

Sure. Sure. Uh-huh. Yeah.

Speaker 6: 27:08

Hey, whatever we can get away with. And as he's saying this, Mildred, of course, is bringing in their new client, the man we saw earlier on the street. And she's bringing him into Steele's office and introduces as Lester Shane. Steele is putting on his suit jacket and coming out from his desk to greet their client. And then he introduces himself and Laura and states that had said that Lester was upset about something, and Steele Laura are here to settle the matter. Then grinning, he asks Lester what the problem is. And shaking his head, Lester simply says, I'm dead. Steele drops his grin, and Laura gets wide-eyed at the confounding statement.

Speaker 1: 27:48

Yeah. It's a little confusing.

Speaker 6: 27:49

Lester hands steel one of the newspapers and uh and and and pivoted and an obituary is circled. Thank you. Reading Late of Gilroy, survived by loving wife, Sharon son Robert and daughter Louise. Private ceremony, immediate family only. Laura, telling Lester that she doesn't mean to minimize concern, begins to minimize his concerns. Yeah. It's just rather obvious that it's a mistake, isn't it? Well, that's what he thought, young lady, Lester But the folks at the newspaper said they had a copy of certificate, so they wouldn't listen to his protestations the contrary.

Speaker 1: 28:31

Do newspapers get death certificates sent to them? I thought if you wanted to place an obit, you just well, now you probably just go online, but I thought back then you have just called them up and said so-and-so died, here are details. Can you print this? Pay them the money. I I didn't realize there was a uh that they actually needed a copy of a death certificate, or is that just a plot

Speaker 6: 28:49

I think it's just a plot device. I I think normally death notices were just simply placed by the family.

Speaker 1: 28:55

Yeah, like you're just taking it on on like a classified you know. The honor system. You tell me this person's dead, I'm gonna put that in there. But the other thing that kind of made me think about for this episode is that it's surprising that it took this long to notice that something was really off about this whole Because have you ever seen that episode of MASH where is falsely reported dead?

Speaker 6: 29:20

I probably have, but I don't remember it. It's been so long since I've watched Mesh.

Speaker 1: 29:24

So in that episode, he like at first he takes it as a joke he and he uh like he does. He sets up his own rake.

Speaker 5: 29:30

And he doesn't get his pay.

Speaker 1: 29:32

But he doesn't get his pay, and then his father is and then their death benefits are uh sent to his dad or And so it it obviously snowballs into something very and by the end of it, there's this really emotional moment he kind of gives up, he gets on the the ambulance or what you and decides he's not gonna help, and then wounded come in and he gets up and goes back to work. So it just made me think like if this happened, for some they might not even notice it. Who reads the obits every day? Not necessarily any, you know, not necessarily everybody, but others, maybe your your insurance, your actual insurance cancelled, or maybe your your work notices and and like this could have I'm just surprised it took this many people somebody stumbled onto an actual issue with it.

Speaker 6: 30:19

Yeah, I mean and of course the potential for the that your your credit cards could get canceled. Yeah, your credit cards have no bank accounts. You know, buying food or anything like that. But um I think it's probably was less of a likelihood or less of a possibility back then than it is now from the that you know everything is done electronically these days.

Speaker 2: 30:42

Yeah.

Speaker 6: 30:43

Whereas back then, I think you had to, you know, you had actually go get physical copies of stuff and submit it to all these things. You had to submit it to the the in life insurance company, had to submit it to the bank in order to get access to that money if your name wasn't on the account, but you were named as an executor or designated as an executor. Right. So there was a lot more complication involved, and so it wouldn't be. Although these days you you still have to do a lot of stuff on paper. My my wife has been fighting with the state of Oregon because there's a a vehicle title in my father-in-law name. My mother-in-law is now deceased, and my father-in-law is to sell this vehicle, and he needs to get the title, but he needs to get it in his name because he can't, you know, he sign as as his late wife. But every time they submit the paperwork to DMV in kick you back saying, Well, we need this person's Well, we sent you a copy of the death certificate. And and they've always got some reason why they can't issue this despite that all the the fact that all their demands have been satisfied multiple times.

Speaker 1: 31:51

That's extremely frustrating.

Speaker 6: 31:53

Yes. Yeah.

Speaker 1: 31:55

They should get Mildred in there. Mildred would clear that up in a heartbeat.

Speaker 6: 31:59

Uh so yeah, uh it's still, but yeah, with everything these days, um it's I would say it's more likely to happen people uh immediately doing anything to to cause it to But uh yeah. Oh, I had a thought. Brain fart. Where did it go? Come on.

Speaker 1: 32:18

Oh, oh, he's looking for it. He's looking for it.

Speaker 6: 32:22

Oh it's gone.

Speaker 1: 32:26

The hamster was running, and then the hamster fell over.

Speaker 6: 32:29

Oh, the wheel fell off.

Speaker 1: 32:31

Uh that's okay. It'll come back when it's no longer relevant.

Speaker 6: 32:35

You know what's really frustrating is to be spending three four or five minutes thinking about something, and you're in the middle of a thought about that thing. It's just gone. Well, no, the thought's not gone. What you were thinking about is gone.

Speaker 2: 32:49

Yeah.

Speaker 6: 32:49

No, seriously. I mean, I know I've been thinking about something for the five minutes, but what was it? I have no clue. It's just gone. Anyway. AHD. Maybe I shouldn't admit that. Maybe that you know, some guys in the white coats will come pick me up. Anyway, uh, let's see. Yes, uh, folks at the pro uh newspaper had a copy, wouldn't listen. Steele admits that yes, it is a bit odd, and then asks, why not just let it pass since he's definitely not dead? Well, that's exactly what he thought, young man. But it ain't that simple. He's in town on business, but his appointments keep canceling on him. They seem to think he's dead now. He called his hometown, and it seems that somebody phoned with the news, and everyone's crying and all. And if he drives back real fast, he might make it in time his memorial service. Kind of a snowball effect, Laura observes. And ruefully, Lester admits that he's gotten to the point he's wondering if maybe he really is dead, and that he's pinching himself a lot to check. And uh, it's been quite a shock to his system, and he thinks he'd like them to figure out what's going on before it goes any further. And Laura gives a nod as Steele dismissively begins, saying that he's sure it's just the bureaucratic snafu. But Laura starts to get a he's done it to me again look, as Steele continues and says that Miss Holt will unravel this in short order. And then he concludes with under my watchful eye, of She turns her she turns her head at him and gives him a you're gonna do that look?

Speaker: 34:18

Yeah.

Speaker 6: 34:20

Well, next they're at the newspaper office, and Steele and approach a woman at a desk talking on the phone, and we tell from her conversation that it is the And as we exchanged notes earlier in the week about this, that is an atrocious sweater. It looks like somebody cut up little bits of fabric or or material and just kind of stitched them on. It's just it's like uh it's ugly.

Speaker 1: 34:48

It's like they knew of your sweater obsession and thought, make it bad. Let's torture Eric with the worst sweater and ruin sweater forever.

Speaker 5: 34:57

Yes. Well, no, that that one that one would never even get made a movie.

Speaker 1: 35:03

Yeah, that's fair. This this this is a hideous sweater. This is truly, I don't know. I I I I'm trying to fathom the logic behind going into a and seeing that on the rack and going, I'm gonna buy that I'm gonna wear it.

Speaker 6: 35:18

Hey, it was the 80s. People did strange things. Anyway, they bought strange things. Uh she a pet. I mean, uh a chia clay thing that you put pet rocks.

Speaker 5: 35:35

Pet rocks, for goodness sake. That's true. You can go out to the river and find a rock.

Speaker 6: 35:43

Anyway. Uh the the woman on the phone really isn't paying attention to Laura and Steele, but then she concludes her call and up and she's surprised asking Steele, don't I know you? And he flatly introduces himself and Laura. The woman ponders and then with recognition hollers, of course, I just did your obituary last week. That's awkward.

Speaker 5: 36:08

Well, yeah. Yeah, Steele is quite taken aback.

Speaker 6: 36:13

And he looks at Laura, who's rolling her eyes in disbelief, and addressing the woman, Miss Carter, as it turns out, he if she isn't being a bit hasty about that. And she waves her hand in the air and enthusiastically says, routine. We do a little bits on prominent people just in case they buy it. I remember you because I had one heck of a time digging up info. She leans forward, leaning on her chin and on her fist, conspiratorially asks, Why is that anyway? Come on, I can keep a secret.

Speaker 1: 36:44

I bet this is probably even more grating on Laura if there we often do obits on improminent people in case they buy it.

Speaker 6: 36:54

Yeah, an unidentified woman.

Speaker 1: 36:56

Yeah, no one's doing her O bit prematurely.

Speaker 6: 37:01

Yeah. They they just pull out a generic one for her, yes. So Steele stands there with a stupid grin on his face. So Laura takes over, telling the woman that apparently listed an obituary for a man who isn't dead. His name is Lester Shane. Barely controlling her laughter. Well, Laura assures Miss Carter that Lester Shane is very alive. Well, Miss Carter gives Laura a very annoyed eye roll. Yeah, she's irritated now. I mean, how dare you question me? I am a professional, and professionals are never wrong. And she opens up a file folder on her desk, pulls out a and hands it to Laura. Well, it's a death certificate for Lester Arthur Shane

Speaker 1: 37:57

So according to the script, did you read the script for this one?

Speaker 6: 38:01

Uh yes, I did.

Speaker 1: 38:03

Yeah, I found it interesting that well, it it just it's in the directions. It's so we might not have we didn't actually see what it says on the death certificate, but according to the script, it says complete with demographics including name, farmer, and cause of death, natural causes. I I I always find it interesting when that's listed as of death because that covers such a wide range. It doesn't actually say what you died of. There's lots of ways to die that are that are natural. And and and Lester being what 40s isn't exactly old enough to heal. I mean, yes, anyone could have a heart attack at any time, I suppose, but still it's kind of interesting that that's what they went with. And not heart attack or you know, something more specific.

Speaker 6: 38:48

Yeah, you know, there's there's a lot of things that you can list on a death certificate that are technically technically incorrect.

Speaker 1: 38:57

Yeah.

Speaker 6: 38:58

Died of blood loss. Yeah, well, that kind of happens when you get three bullets through the heart, you know. Yeah, what was it really the blood loss that did it?

Speaker 3: 39:07

Well, you know, maybe not technically, but technically, yeah.

Speaker 6: 39:11

You know.

Speaker 3: 39:12

Yep.

Speaker 6: 39:13

Anyway, so yes, it's a death certificate for Lester Arthur Jr. issued by the Weill Mortuary at 1621 Comstock Boulevard. Well, she hands it to Steele and then asks Miss Carter, Mortuary sent the information and asked her to place Yep. She responds immediately. Laura asks for a copy, but Miss Carter says, no. Company policy. Okay, wait a second. Death certificates, I think, are public records.

Speaker 1: 39:40

I would think so. That's what I was that was one of my questions, because you can look them up, can you not?

Speaker 6: 39:45

Yeah. I mean, you I think you have to pay for a copy because you they've got these rules about, well, we've got to be paid our time and effort of pushing that button sends it to the And that's that's you know, like $25 worth of effort on well, who are you? George Jetson, you get paid to sit there and push a button. But but yeah, I think it's public records.

Speaker 1: 40:08

Yeah. Yeah, but I mean, I think we've already established that a wouldn't necessarily need a death certificate anyway. So this whole bit is kind of like we're we're just we're hand waving it because it yeah, we have to.

Speaker 6: 40:20

And it's not like it's a confidential source, you know, where you you're deep throat and you're leaking out news and about what's going on in the White House. And oh, we can't give that information away. That's a death certificate. Anyway, Steele.

unknown: 40:32

Yeah.

Speaker 6: 40:33

Steele leans forward over her desk and in an intimate tone that Wow.

Speaker 1: 40:40

This he's I mean, talk about using what you've got for for you know? Yes, like just that whole it tells it goes to show that he that he's good looking, he knows he's got an effect on and he knows how to manipulate him. And he knows how to, yeah, he knows how to use it.

Speaker 6: 41:01

Well, he suggests that inasmuch as her file on him is incomplete, what would she say to a discreet dinner in exchange for the death certificate? And of course, Laura does another eye roll.

Speaker 1: 41:16

Her eyes roll so high that they pretty much go like right to the ceiling and back, all the way back.

Speaker 6: 41:22

Point, point, right up the back of her head, yes. Exactly. Well, smitten and giggling like a schoolgirl, Miss agrees. And as they walk away, copy the death certificate in hand, murmurs that he has to admit that it's a bit strange, and concurs, albeit reluctantly. Well, Laura tells him to relax. Scarlet and red aren't going anywhere, but if it will make happy, they can split up to try to resolve the case more And of course, Steele likes that plan. Just curiously, Laura asks, if he's really planning on that poor girl out to dinner. Steele stiffly puts his arm around Laura's shoulder and then bravely tells her they'll make it a threesome.

Speaker 1: 42:02

Yeah. I mean, it it was more her, like, I don't even think it was a question. It was more that she kind of felt sorry for this poor girl. Because she she looks and she says, You're not really taking this poor girl out to dinner.

Speaker 6: 42:14

Yeah, well, it was it was more rhetorical, yeah, but it was still kind of a question. But um, yeah. Uh I I won't comment on Steele's response, but um, I don't that's what Laura had in mind either.

Speaker: 42:31

No, it definitely not. Definitely not.

Speaker 6: 42:33

Next at the coroner's office, uh, a medical examiner is with a temporary residence. There's a loud tap from a large observation window behind him, and the man turns to see Steele standing on the other side of the glass. The man holds up his blood-covered hands, gloved uh, says that his hands are full at the moment. Through the glass, we hear a muffled comment from Steele it isn't imperative that they shake. He only needs a moment. The man stands, pulls off his gloves, gloves, pulls off his gloves, washes and dries his hands, and then steps out into the hallway to join Steele. Steele tells the man, a doctor Carl Rossfeld by name, that appreciates his time, and Rossfeld asks what he can do for Steele pulls out a death certificate, Lester's, shows it to Rosfeld, and asks if he remembers signing it. Rosfeld seems to mull over the name, and then Steele him that it would have been about two days earlier. And Rossfeld gives a slight shake of his head and informs that there would be no way he could have signed it two days ago because he had been in a conference in North California.

Speaker 1: 43:39

So we we know later on that that is his signature and that was part of this cover up.

Speaker 6: 43:43

So is he lying to Steele here and they just didn't check up on his on his alibi or I am imagining that he sent him a of and just okay, I'll just sign these I've got twenty I can sign a bunch of them right now. Yeah.

Speaker 1: 43:56

And that's why he's able to have an alibi for it. That makes sense.

Speaker 6: 44:01

Well, puzzled, Steele asks if Rosfeld is saying that the is a forgery. And the coroner says that he can't conceive of why, but yes, the signature isn't his. Then after a brief pause, asks what it's all about. Steele, his thoughts seemingly somewhere else, responds he wishes he knew. Came back to me. Got it.

Speaker 2: 44:21

Okay.

Speaker 6: 44:24

You were talking about how long it would t uh how it took long for people to notice.

Speaker 1: 44:29

Yes. Yeah.

Speaker 6: 44:31

I should have looked this up, but I didn't think about it you were you and I were talking just now, and you you said there was a deal a number of years ago, I don't remember, it's probably decades now. A guy had noticed something in one of his accounts. I I don't remember if it was a like a phone bill or or what it was. And he noticed that there was like a one cent discrepancy that kept coming up, kept coming up, kept coming up. And it's just a penny. You know, what's the big deal? Well, he it annoyed him, and so he started pursuing it. And ultimately his investigation led to a multimillion scam. Where people were skimming uh some business was off of of accounts by doing it uh either one or two cents a time or maybe fractional values of a penny. So, you know, you go into a gas station and it says you know your fuel is two ninety-five point nine nine cents or per liter or whatever. Well, nine tenths of a you know, nine tenths of a cent? How how do you do that? You you can't do that. Well, what they were apparently doing was they were that up to the full penny, right? Which basically disappears in in the midst of all that fraction of a penny they were able to shuffle off and were they were absconding with millions of dollars, and nobody and it had been going on for a long time, and nobody noticed it until this one guy noticed this very, very slight, discrepancy in his billing. Anyway.

Speaker 1: 46:10

That's crazy. That's cool.

Speaker 6: 46:12

It is. Yeah, back to the episode. Uh in the meantime, Laura arrives at what appears to be an building with the remnant markings of the wild mortuary on She gets out of the rabbit, walks up to the doors, and finds them locked. She looks around, then trying to appear casual, walks to end of the building and slips down the side. The small fenced-in area, which is filled with seemingly items, stacks of cardboard boxes, large bags of lawn a wheelbarrow with some junk items piled into it, a couple beat-up lured partitions and the like. As she's walking through that, she comes upon a window set high in the wall. And there's apparently something there usable for her to on in order to reach the window. So she stands on it, looks inside, and as she's doing there are sounds of telephones ringing and muted voices from inside. And as she peers in through the dirty glass, she sees a number of women, some sitting at desks, some standing in of the desks, others moving to various positions. But behind them all is a bank of filing cabinets.

Speaker 1: 47:18

This was an interesting choice to have it be entirely women. Not a single man working there, apparently. I'm not sure why. I I guess maybe because it's secretarial secretarial work, therefore it's but I don't know. It was just an odd sort of well decision script-wise to have it before.

Speaker 6: 47:41

At that time, and even even now, the majority of people in professions tends to skew one direction or another. I mean, there's some professions where it's it's not that but secretarial still tends to skew female.

Speaker 1: 47:54

Yeah, no, I I I I agree with that. It was just an interesting thing that they because is fraudulent. Do they do these women know they're working, they're false forms under a probably not, but it it's I don't And and also I know that the coroner's office isn't on it, so that that makes sense why they would process this from a uh mortuary that's no longer open. But wouldn't the paper think something was off about death notices from a mortuary that no longer operates?

Speaker 3: 48:24

Who checked?

Speaker 1: 48:26

Well, I don't know. Newspapers are supposed to check, I guess.

Speaker 6: 48:31

No, I mean, especially now, but even back then, a lot of it was just okay, got it, put it in. Oh, got that. Yeah, put it in. Oh, you what? Yeah, put it in.

Speaker 1: 48:41

Or they run the risk of somebody who they can deny it.

Speaker 6: 48:44

They hey, we just reprinted what somebody else told

Speaker 1: 48:47

Fair enough.

Speaker 6: 48:47

We were not responsible. Not our job. Okay. So, but yeah. Now, as far as the women um not not knowing that what they're doing is fraudulent, I mean there are people that that do in companies all the time, and and what they're doing is or fraudulent or whatnot, but they are not the ones that are committing the acts. They're just they're just you know processing papers. They're just you know your secretary, you type the letter. Never mind the fact that the letter is intended to commit a fraud, it's just all you know is you're typing the letter. That's that's why that myopic look of things um when when say you don't need to know what's going on, you just need know how to do your job, is it's kind of a fatal flaw in a of things.

Speaker 1: 49:35

Wild, the mortuary that gets stuff done.

Speaker 6: 49:39

The mortuary that buries people that aren't dead. Um anyway, after a moment, Laura steps down and then to a nearby door and gently touches the knob, trying to it. But suddenly the hand of a man slaps down on her shoulder, her to let out a startled squeal and then turn around. A blonde man in a suit, who shall henceforth be known as Mr. Hare, asks what she thinks he's doing.

Speaker 1: 50:07

I had him in my notes just as blonde man because he he's in the script. Rob O'Connell is his name in the script, but at no point do they ever actually say his name in the episode. So I just went with blonde man. Big blonde man.

Speaker 6: 50:22

I went with Mr. Hare.

Speaker 1: 50:24

Or actually, now I I just realized that my acronym is not a good one, Big Blonde Man, because it uh BBM also stands for something else. So okay, whoops. Um yeah, we'll go with yours. Mr.

Speaker 6: 50:36

Hare is better than BBM because anyway, he asks what she she's doing, and stumbling over her words slightly, she's looking for WILE Mortuary. The man, clearly suspicious, says that Mile Wild says Mortuary closed down two years ago. And Laura, feigning disappointment, says that her aunt had always had a liking for this place.

Speaker: 50:59

Oh, seriously? That's what you gotta go with? Who has mortuary preferences? Does she have like a little?

Speaker 1: 51:08

It's like a like, you know how people get like a wedding they plan their wedding, they have their little planning book where it's like, I have this venue for inspiration. Does she have a mortuary or a funeral inspiration book?

Speaker 6: 51:19

No, actually, she goes around to to funerals at mortuaries to attend them and get the free goodies and taking notes. She's gone to all these different ones, and this is the one she likes the best because they've got the best food. Anyway, her Aunt Sophie had a always had a liking for this Bless her freshly departed soul. And then not quite knowing when to stop, she asks, going on here now? The man says, Well, they process forms. And seemingly intent on further rousing the man's suspicion, Laura asks, Well, what kind of forms? And unhelpfully, the man says, all kinds.

Speaker 1: 52:02

Yeah. To be fair, okay, if he wanted to just get rid of her, and he doesn't know she's a private investigator, but if he if wanted to make sure that she's not going to ask any more he maybe should have made up something that sounded vaguely plausible. Like we we process uh document like uh official city they're processed here, it's a general office, something that. Something that sounds logical. That if Laura wasn't a private investigator, she'd be like, oh, oh, okay, I'm sorry. Have a good day.

Speaker 6: 52:34

Yeah, because there are there are businesses that their is to process paperwork for other businesses.

Speaker 1: 52:41

Exactly. So instead, like, I mean, obviously, she's in a a private she's gonna investigate anyway, but this this this is gonna make her even more suspicious. We process forms. What kind of forms? All kinds of forms. Cool.

Speaker 6: 52:58

Anyway, back at the office, Steele is seated at his desk holding a pair of wires while pondering the VCR and its manual.

Speaker 1: 53:07

It's not that hard.

Speaker 6: 53:11

Meanwhile, uh Laura is pacing. She ponders, someone wants to create the illusion that Shane is dead. Why? She then asks for Steele's thoughts on the matter, but not paying any attention to Laura, kind of offhandedly asks, if you were two extraneous wires, where would you connected?

Speaker 1: 53:32

First of all, why is he worrying about this now? There's no nothing to connect it to. He he's nowhere near his TV.

Speaker 6: 53:39

Well, that's true.

Speaker 1: 53:40

I mean, and and I don't know if they were trying on purpose to make it seem like this was some really complicated thing. But you've got you're talking about a total of three maybe, to do this. It's it's not that complicated.

Speaker 6: 53:57

Well, it wasn't it wasn't even like that, as I recall. Most of them Well I have a I have a list of instructions.

Speaker 1: 54:07

You want me to do it? Can I do it?

Speaker 6: 54:08

No, I'm gonna I'm gonna I'm I'm just let me say this first, would you please? Um usually there were uh two different ways that you could those things up. One was through a coax.

Speaker 1: 54:19

Yep.

Speaker 6: 54:19

Which screw is just a round cable, it screws in one side then theoretically screws into the other. Although for some older TVs, they did not have a coax All they had was the two-wire connection for your uh your pull antenna that you would just you know turn up and up off the case of the TV, or uh large overhead antenna was mounted to the top of the house and came down with a wires and you connected them that way. So you would need a converter. It was it was something that the coax uh cable screwed into, and it would convert the the cable signal, basically what it was at that point, to a signal that the TV could pick up those connections because it it converted it. And then the other option was using RCA cables. You had typically one for video and then two for the audio, one for the left channel, one for the right channel.

Speaker 1: 55:11

So I'm not laughing at you, I'm laughing at the comment Laura could connect a VCR in 30 seconds, but she'd never do it for him.

Speaker 6: 55:17

That's probably true. That's probably true. Um, so I'm envisioning Steele looking at these and trying figure out how to make all of them work simultaneously.

unknown: 55:27

Yeah.

Speaker 6: 55:27

And he's running into a conflict because where he's trying connect one thing, he's already got something connected. And it's like, okay, well, now what do I do with these

Speaker 1: 55:36

But they're but they're on his desk and there's no TV, so he does nothing. He can do nothing with them right now.

Speaker 6: 55:41

He's planning it out in advance so that when he gets to the point of actually doing it, he knows and it's just wham bam, thank you, sir.

Speaker 1: 55:51

ADHD. But in all seriousness, you just ruined my whole list of here because um because what I had to go through a little was uh here's how people typically hooked up a VCR in 1985. What you'll need the VCR and its power cord, TV. Many TVs then had only had an antenna slash coax input, and some late 80s sets had RCA phonojacks, coaxial cable, the TV antenna lead, optional RCA patch cables, yellow video, white equals uh white and red equals audio. A VCR instruction manual is helpful but not required. So basic method number one. Uh this works when the TV only has an antenna input. Unplug the TV and VCR, safe habit. Connect the antenna slash cable to the VCR's antenna in or VHF slash UHF in. Uh if the antenna was previously plugged into the TV, it and plug it into the VCR. Connect a coax from the VCR's RF output to TV or to TV, uh the TV's antenna input. Turn everything on. Set the VCR's output channel to channel three or four. There's usually a switch or tiny selector on the VCR. On the TV, tune into channel three or four. The channel will now show whatever the VCR is playing. To record live TV, you put the VCR and record. That's it. We're done. Better quality if your TV has RCA inputs, okay? Some TVs in mid to late 80s had RCA jacks, or you might have had a separate RF modulator. This was ours. This is what ours had, because this is how I remember doing it. Uh locate the VCR's video output and audio output jacks, grouped color-coded, yellow, video, white, audio left, red, audio, right. Connect these to the TV's corresponding RCA inputs, video in yellow, audio input, white or red. On the TV, select the AV input mode if it has one, or tune to the TV's input that corresponds. Some older TVs still required you to use the channel four unless the TV had a labeled auxiliary video output. Play a tape. You'll get a much clearer picture than the RF coax. So yeah. And then quick troubleshooting, no picture. Check the TV is on the correct input or channel three or if using RF. Snow or static, poor antenna connection or wrong input. Sound, but no picture, which we know happens later on. Uh check the RCA plugs and correct color jacks. Make sure the VCR is actually in play. Only fuzzy image, try switching VCR output from channel or four, or vice versa, or use composite if possible. And then if cable TV box is present, pre-digital era, cable box, VCR and anterior ant in, VCR RF out. And then extra bits of 1985 flavor. Many VCRs still had mechanical channel selectors or tuners. Stereo VCRs were just starting to appear. Many were mono audio, one with white jack only. So I just solved his problem in like a minute. It's not that hard steel. I don't know why this takes an entire episode and Lester back there fiddling around with the four-foot screen. I just don't get it.

Speaker 6: 58:36

I've got a comment about Lester. I didn't put it in my notes, but I I remember it. And I I thought at the time that that I thought of it, it be a little bit somebody might take exception to it. But when we get there, I'll I'll comment on that because it has to do with him having issues. Steele, you know, he's not really necessarily all that No, I don't know. Although he's he's broken into electronic alarm systems.

Speaker 1: 59:04

So I guess maybe it's just something he knows, right? And and the I think the commenter is right here. Laura probably could take two seconds to look at that manual and be like, oh yeah, boom, boom, boom, it goes here.

unknown: 59:14

Yeah.

Speaker 1: 59:14

She's not going to do it because he's taking it off.

Speaker 6: 59:17

Anyway, Laura is annoyed at his lack of concentration and Yeah. And she runs to the desk and declares that she promises to him the entire MGM library on video cassette. If he would please put the manual down and concentrate on matter at hand.

Speaker: 59:36

That's gonna cost more than the boat. Okay, that is gonna cost more than the boat.

Speaker 6: 59:43

Well, uh Steele loves to hear that, so he bolts upright, the manual onto the desk, closes the tape carriage on the says deal.

Speaker: 59:52

Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 6: 59:52

Laura sits on the edge of the desk and both are silent for a moment until Steele suddenly declares, DOA, Edmund Luther Adler, United Artists, 1949. Then he summarizes the plot. O'Brien plays a businessman who comes to the police of the picture to report a murder, his own. Somehow he's been poisoned and doesn't understand why. And the connection with Lester, Laura prompts, unable to the connection herself.

Speaker 3: 1:00:17

Steele isn't really able to make the connection either, a bit fuzzy. However, DOA is available on video cassette. They can always buy a copy, have a look at it, run it, see it leads them.

Speaker 1: 1:00:29

I he never knows when to give up because she basically, when she she said she's gonna buy in the MGM library, that's like offering a kid candy for breakfast if they do their And instead of just accepting that, he's pushing it that step further.

unknown: 1:00:48

Yeah, really.

Speaker 6: 1:00:51

So anyway, um Laura sighs impatiently, stands and resumes her pacing, and after a moment she says, Life insurance. Steals attention, having been momentarily drawn back to the VCR, responds yes, in a way that suggests that he really hear what she said. He's just kind of automatically making an unexpected And Laura, not really paying attention to the fact that not paying attention, says somebody is trying to collect Lester's policy. She turns to go to the outside office door, and Steele is pondering the VCR and the errant wires. Laura opens the door and asks Lester to come into the office with them. He enters, she closes the door, and she puts her hand on his shoulder and explains that this is very important. Does he have a life insurance policy? Nope. But at one time he thought about getting one. Steele, again holding the VCR manual, asks Mr. Shane if he's wealthy. Comfortable, says. Steele tosses the manual away. Happily married, he asks. Happy as anyone can be after 22 years.

Speaker 1: 1:02:00

Sorry, not really relevant, but doesn't matter. I could you're right, 22. I my brain was how did it where did I get 27?

Speaker 6: 1:02:08

I don't know. I I Okay. Maybe it's a funnier number. Anyway.

Speaker 1: 1:02:13

Maybe it was in the script.

Speaker 6: 1:02:15

Yeah, it might have been.

Speaker 1: 1:02:16

Yeah, he says 27 in the script. Yeah, that's it. I just looked.

Speaker 6: 1:02:20

Okay.

Speaker 1: 1:02:20

Weird.

Speaker 6: 1:02:21

Anyway, Steele gives a kind of sardonic chuckle and then gaslight. Laura and Lester look blankly at Steele, prompting him to Charles Boyer, Ingrid Bergman, MGM 1944. Boyer attempts to drive Ingrid crazy so he can have her and finally gain her estate. Oh, it's also available on video set. Well, she's gonna buy him the whole MGM library. That was kind of unnecessary.

Speaker: 1:02:44

Yeah.

Speaker 6: 1:02:45

And Laura gives him a really look at that last bit. Well, Lester dismisses that theory saying that his wife have to drive him nuts. She's already got everything in her name.

Speaker: 1:02:56

I love the way he says this, though. It's so just a matter.

Speaker 1: 1:02:59

She didn't have to drive me nuts.

Speaker: 1:03:01

It's already in her name.

Speaker 6: 1:03:05

Well, Steele is disappointed to hear that. Laura is frustrated, wishing they could somehow get into wild mortuary when it's empty. Steele picks up the VCR and the gone with the wind off his desk and begins to put it all back into the box. Lester takes notice and comments that Steele's got himself heck of a fine VCR there. And to clarify the details, asks, Is that the one with MTS? And Steele, somewhat taken aback, says he didn't realize Lester was familiar with that sort of equipment. Lester says that he used to be an electrical engineer in Sam's army before he went into agriculture. So what? That's got nothing to do with VCRs. And also Twenty different types of electronics.

Speaker 1: 1:03:43

And also, I used to be a kid in the 80s and I could figure out. So I don't think that your credentials are all that

Speaker 6: 1:03:51

Yeah, and and besides which, they're not necessarily to this. Anyway.

Speaker 1: 1:03:55

No, no. But this is what I call man over hood syndrome. It is a verifiable phenomenon that when a man over hood or underhood syndrome. Basically, you get a man open the hood of a car, and all of a sudden they just come. Like it just draws them from all points of the neighborhood, and they all end up under the hood going, oh yeah, that's a converter, that's a Cadillac convert, that's a this and a that. And most of them have no clue what they're talking about, but there's there's machinery under a hood. So this is man under hood syndrome, but with a VCR.

unknown: 1:04:30

Sorry.

Speaker: 1:04:31

I was offensive, wasn't it? Tell me I'm wrong, Lil. Tell me I'm wrong.

Speaker 6: 1:04:40

We have such weird conversations here. Anyway, as Laura continues to pace, Steele slyly asks if he happens to know the proper method of hooking up one of these wonder videos to one of those large four foot And he gives a cautious glance over his shoulder at Laura as he says this last because apparently he wants to keep that four foot screen a secret from her because she doesn't know.

Speaker 1: 1:05:03

Also bought with agency funds. That's probably why.

Speaker 6: 1:05:06

Undoubtedly, yes.

Speaker 1: 1:05:07

Although, although we get the impression later on that oh no, no, no. He did purchase it from Monroe, but Monroe replaces it. Never mind. Ignore what I was just about to say.

Speaker 6: 1:05:17

Lester says that he he did it for his nephew the previous and says that it will only take him two shakes of a lamb's I looked that up.

Speaker 1: 1:05:26

Oh, the expression?

Speaker 6: 1:05:27

Yes. Oh, okay. Uh the meaning is very soon or very quickly. The origin is comes from the observation that lambs' tails shake very fast, particularly when suckling. It's an Americanism that dates back to the early 1800s and popularized in the UK during World War One.

Speaker 1: 1:05:45

Interesting.

Speaker 6: 1:05:45

And it can be shortened to two shakes or I'll be there in shakes.

Speaker 1: 1:05:50

Yeah, I've heard that too. I just yeah, that's fine. Cool.

Speaker 6: 1:05:54

We invented it, the Brits made it popular. Anyway. Steele hands Lester the case containing Gone with the Wind picks up the box with the VCR telling Lester, Let's go. Well Laura, who has apparently not been paying them leaving, but uh since she didn't hear what was being between the two men, asks inquisitively, Mr. Steele, wondering what he's doing. As he reaches the door, he tells Laura to keep pacing. He's sure that she'll come up with something. In the meantime, he says he's going to take Lester into custody.

Speaker 1: 1:06:28

Yeah, okay.

Speaker 6: 1:06:29

Pointing out that one can never be too careful with a man's life. And grinning, he adds, even if he is officially dead. Yeah. And hands on hip, Laura stares at them, a look of annoyance on her face. Well, outside, walking down the sidewalk, Steele is still the box with the VCR, and the two men are talking. Well, why aren't they in the limo? I don't know. Uh Fred's day off, maybe they cut back because they didn't all the money back from the pigs. I don't know.

Speaker 1: 1:06:57

Are they walking to his to his like does he live that close to the I guess he must?

Speaker 6: 1:07:02

I don't know. Uh I didn't think so, but anyway, they're they're walking and they're talking. And Lester is saying that he's from Gilroy, California, garlic capital of the U.S. of A, and that he knows more about garlic than a man should.

Speaker 1: 1:07:16

Well, there's how much should one know about garlic?

Speaker 6: 1:07:20

Just enough to use it in the kitchen. Or how to open the little bottle and shake it out. Anyway, uh during the course of their conversation, they to an intersection where they begin to cross the street. And Steele observes the car speeding toward them, making no sign of slowing down. Steele hollers at Lester to look out. He throws the box with the VCR at the car, simultaneously to shove Lester back and to move back himself to avoid hit.

Speaker 1: 1:07:47

Can I just interrupt you for just a second? I just did a quick Google because I had to know if it this was a real place. And Gilroy, USA, is a real place. It is actually famous for its garlic. It is called the garlic capital of the world. Apparently, it is a major center for garlic processing, and it's iconic Gilroy Garlic Festival has become a major event in the city's history. You can smell garlic in Gilroy, apparently anywhere you go, because the processing plant is located there, even though areas have surpassed it in terms of garlic production There is the Gilroy Garlic Festival, which is a festival centered on garlic. I mean, you gotta think that like nobody is getting any if go to that festival, you know? Like they're gonna come home and their wives or or partners are gonna be like, Yeah, honey, you stink. Go away. Anyway, um, it was it uh it was apparently paused, but after a three-year hiatus, it returned in 2025. It is home to businesses that sell various garlic products, including fresh garlic, pickled garlic, and apparently called black garlic. And it also has a garlic-themed ride at Gilroy Gardens theme park called the garlic twirl. So that's something that we now all know.

Speaker 6: 1:09:02

Yeah, I think we now know too much about well, yeah.

Speaker 1: 1:09:07

Apparently, there's there's there you can you can know about garlic, and he knows more than a man should. So now I we all know what is black garlic? Now I have to know that.

Speaker 4: 1:09:17

I don't know.

Speaker 1: 1:09:18

Black garlic is apparently regular garlic that has uh using low heat and high humidity, which turns the back black and gives them a sweet balsamic and umami flavor with a soft chewy tie. Ew. Okay, anyway, I didn't need to know that. Cool. Uh somebody else said no vampires in Gilroy. Yeah, that's right.

Speaker 6: 1:09:38

Be safe. Anyway, as I said, uh Steele throws the box at the car he's trying to avoid and help Lester avoid being hit by the car.

Speaker 5: 1:09:50

Yeah.

Speaker 6: 1:09:51

But it's it's I'm sorry, it's purely Hollywood moment. That when the box hits the windshield of the car, it causes it to shatter. I don't I don't think it would work that way.

Speaker 1: 1:09:59

But no, it would bounce off.

Speaker 6: 1:10:01

Yeah, the the the box would kind of crumble and yeah, just of roll off. Anyway, the two men end up on their backs in the street, and Steele is clearly very, very concerned about the VCR.

Speaker 1: 1:10:13

About the VCR, yeah. The VCR is totaled.

unknown: 1:10:15

Yeah.

Speaker 6: 1:10:16

I mean, he doesn't even bother to look at the car to try to get the license plate to observe any distinguishing features about it. Instead, as this car speeds off, he gets up, stumbles the mangled box, VCR inside, wires hanging out of it, it up, and with the distraught look on his face, cradles like a sick child.

Speaker: 1:10:33

Oh, I know, poor guy.

Speaker 6: 1:10:38

In the office, Laura is on the phone with Steele. She informs him that it's impossible to trace a car with only two letters from the license plate, and she does this in of voice that suggests that he should know better than to ask such a stupid question.

Speaker 1: 1:10:53

To be fair, did they not have the same back and forth when was shot at in uh Steel of Approval and she was down in the mud and didn't get the like he could totally use that to benefit, is all I'm saying.

Speaker 6: 1:11:06

That's true. That is true.

Speaker 1: 1:11:08

He could be like, Well, you didn't get the license plate, so ha.

Speaker 6: 1:11:12

But she's a trained detective, would be his his

Speaker 2: 1:11:16

That is also true. Yeah.

Speaker 6: 1:11:18

Anyway, Steele, who is on the phone in the limo, he's finally in the limo, with Lester next to him, snaps back. Fine, next time I'll let them hit Lester, but I'll get the plate. Okay. And Lester gives Steele a look like, what?

Speaker 1: 1:11:33

I know he's like, hey, wait, wait, wait, wait. I didn't sign up for this.

Speaker 6: 1:11:37

Well, Laura finally gets around to asking how Lester's doing. I mean, you know, women always criticize men. Well, you didn't ask how I was doing. All you did was ask about how the car is. Anyway, uh patting Lester on the arm, apparently intent to him that he really won't let him get run over. Steele tells Laura that Lester's okay and that Steele's to stash him at the apartment for safekeeping. As he hangs up, Lester is confused, wondering, uh, no offense, but is this your neighborhood? Steele hesitantly says, uh, no, slight detour. And he directs the Fred of the day to a warehouse. There are several bay doors open, and boxes inside are high, and a forklift is out there moving pallets of product. Uh, Steele gets out, taking the battered VCR box and deck him, telling Lester that he won't be but a minute. Wandering inside, he tells one of the workers that he's for Monroe. Following the instructions, he moves through to an the back where Monroe, sitting at a desk, is telling on the phone that no, next week is not acceptable, my friend. And he notices Steel. I I love the way Monroe talks. I mean, this is fantastic.

Speaker 1: 1:12:47

This is this is where my rabbit hole went. Okay. Remember, I messaged you and I said that I went down a rabbit hole and my mind is blown about this actor. Okay. Because I have been what like I have been watching this show since I was a teenager, and and he's a fan favorite. Monroe is a fan favorite among Steel Watchers. If you, you know, you go to the uh Facebook group, he he's a he's often featured in a lot of fan fictions he's brought back. He's he's a cool character that we all want to know And I I I should have looked at the script first, but I'm of grateful I didn't until after, because then I wouldn't gone down this rabbit hole. Because he has in the script it says he has a British His accent is not British. It it's it's vaguely British, but if he's try if if if Lawson's attempting to do a British accent here, it's not a very good one. Because it's it's kind of like he sounds sort of British, but it just sounds more like he's upper class rather than uh British specifically. So I wondered if that was his actual accent or if he was on an accent, and so I started to look at his look at him an actor, like who is this guy? Because I hadn't done that before. I'd seen him in a few things, but it was one of those where I I didn't really I mind blown, okay, because not only is he Beyoncé's stepdad, apparently like pop star Beyonce, massive. Uh if you like it, you should have put a ring on it. Like the yeah, he apparently married her mother after her actual dad split up. So he's Beyonce's stepdad, but he's also Bianca father. And Bianca Lawson, I I like I couldn't, I had yeah, I I I didn't believe I yeah, the connection. Okay, so Bianca Lawson is is is somebody who has been in like a billion teen shows, and she's sort of famous for playing a teenager well into her 30s because um she started out on by the Bell, the New Class in 1993. She was in My So-Called Life, she was in Sister Sister, she was in The Parenthood, and she played a major character in the Vampire Slayer, even though she only appeared for two episodes in the series. It was a really pivotal role. Uh, she was in Dawson's Creek, she was in Pretty Little She did it one episode of Bones, Secret Life of the American Teen American Teenager Vampire Diaries, etc. Her last turn as a teenager was in Pretty Little Liars, in which she was at that point uh 30 between the ages of 31 and 38, still playing a teenager. So like she, very youthful looking person. Uh, but there's sort of a bad episode or a bad accent too, because when she appears on Buffy the Vampire Slayer Kendra, she is supposed to be Jamaican, but that accent is It is not good. So I just I had no idea that the two were connected, that Beyonce's stepdad and Bianca Lawson's father, and she had on to this very prolific career. Like she's in in all of these teen things that I have seen the course of the years, but he's not British. He's in no way British. That accent was something he was attempting to make sound it didn't work.

Speaker: 1:16:04

British ish.

Speaker 1: 1:16:05

British-ish. So I went down the Richard Lawson rabbit hole and found and Bianca Lawson and had no idea that there was a connection between any of them. And now I know all of this stuff, and now you do too. So you're welcome.

Speaker 6: 1:16:17

And did I really want to know? Yeah, did I really want to?

Speaker 1: 1:16:20

But a few people that I'm that listen to us are probably Oh, I know who Bianca Lawson is because she's in so many and just I didn't realize they were connected. So yeah.

Speaker 6: 1:16:32

Anyway, uh, as he's on the phone, he knows.

Speaker 1: 1:16:34

I do love the way he talks.

Speaker 6: 1:16:36

Yes. Yeah. He notices Steele and motions him in. And then he sternly tells the person on the other end of the phone, by Saturday or no sale. He hangs up, sighs, and then comments to Steele. And we thought it was tough in the old days, Mick. It's a real jungle out there. He leans back, putting his hands behind his head, and asks what he thinks of his investment so far. Did he invest agency money into this business?

Speaker 1: 1:17:03

I he I mean he paid agency money for sure. So I mean, he he I'm does Mildred know about this?

Speaker 5: 1:17:12

Is this an addition to the uh the hogs?

Speaker 1: 1:17:14

I mean, Mildred doesn't have a leg to stand on here with her whole investing in the pig situation. So my guess is that that's his fallback if he's get on it.

Speaker 6: 1:17:23

But that's because she had ham this morning.

Speaker 1: 1:17:25

I think I think that's no leg to stand on. Yeah. I think that Monroe means more about an investment in that he has shown that he's willing to help Monroe get his off the ground by investing, i.e., buying something. I don't think he actually invested in the company per se.

Speaker 6: 1:17:42

I have to disagree.

Speaker 1: 1:17:44

It's kind of how I took it, but I have to disagree. Okay.

Speaker 6: 1:17:48

I think he's actually talking about an actual financial in the business. Anyway, Steel is wrong, but still tell us who's right and and it's and how it's me. Anyway, grinning and chuckling, Steele says that he have believed it. Surprised that Monroe was really serious about this. Folume discounts and personal service, Monroe though with a touch of humor, give the public what they is my newfound credo. Yeah, as opposed to thanking the public for what you reminds him. Uh seriously, Monroe affirms that the chapter of that of his life is closed, Mick. Like he told Steele, he's tired of running. And then when with a tinge of hurt in his voice, he asks, didn't think I'd take your money and split, did you? See, all these things here kind of imply that Steele has in the business.

Speaker 1: 1:18:43

See, I I again I took it as just the VCR isn't cheap. So he just Yeah, you didn't think I took the money and taken off. Like you'd want a warranty and technical support. I don't know.

Speaker 6: 1:18:57

I'd anyway, Steele says it wouldn't have surprised him. Let's put it that way.

Speaker 1: 1:19:02

Yeah.

Speaker 6: 1:19:02

And uh then putting a hand on his chest Monroe laughs and offense. Oh, you wounds me, my friend. And Steele likes. When you came to me, I saw an old mate who was down on his needing a pat on the back and a few quid in his pocket. I hardly expected this. See, that line right there says steel invested in the

Speaker 1: 1:19:22

Anyway, okay. I I I'm willing to admit defeat if if if I am Yay, I won! I have to do that. I never said that. However, if anyone wants to comment and and defend me, or you know, whatever, feel free.

Speaker 6: 1:19:38

Um probably standing to walk around the desk, Monroe Reinvestment of profits, lines of credit, arbitrage arbitrary. I don't even know what that is. Arbitrage. Arbitrage. Uh let's look it up. Arbitrage. I'm not sure. Uh simultaneous binding, buying, and selling of securities, currencies, or commodities in different markets or forms in order to take advantage of differing prices for same asset.

Speaker 1: 1:20:04

I understood none of that, but okay. It just sounds like Charlie Brown's teacher. Wah.

Speaker 6: 1:20:14

And he says it's a lot easier being a pirate on this side the law than the one other side.

Speaker 1: 1:20:18

This is the point there. Have you ever seen the movie Um uh Austin Powers?

Speaker 6: 1:20:22

I've got it, haven't watched it yet.

Speaker 1: 1:20:24

Okay, so it's it's a parody spoof of James Bond.

Speaker 6: 1:20:27

Right.

Speaker 1: 1:20:28

And there's a uh scene where like the bad guy, who's supposed to be Blofeld, is defeated in the 60s and they him cryogenically and they unfreeze him back in the 90s, he's got all his minions around him, and one of his minions basically has gone legit in the time since he was frozen to now. And so when he starts talking about starting the evil up again, his number one, who is literally called number one or number two, I think it might be number two, because that's you know, who is number two, but he basically says something like uh when he when he does his ransom thing, he's like, I will ransom it for one million dollars. And he's like, Um, we make that in a week. He's like, uh he goes like it's actually much more to be a legitimate businessman at this point. So um, so yeah, like I think Monroe has a bit of a point in the sense that sometimes these companies are pretty if it's anything like Sam's Club or or Costco or or the Club. We had the price club. I don't know if that was a thing in the US, but very uh it became Costco in our areas, those price clubs were to Costco's. And they were kind of like the same thing where you got like volume, uh, you could buy tons of stuff for for price, which I'm assuming is what Monroe is doing. At least that's kind of what I got from it. But if he's selling it to department stores and stuff, that could be the best.

Speaker 6: 1:21:58

But anyway, yeah, yeah, I I still need to watch the Austin movies. I've got all three of them. One of the things that really piqued my interest about that was to learn that there is a reference in one of the movies to the Alan Parsons Project, which is a band I love.

Speaker 1: 1:22:13

Yeah, yeah. It's they're very juvenile and childish, so you have of like have the mind of an eight-year-old when you watch it. But other than that, you mean kind of like the Bond movies.

Speaker 6: 1:22:22

Oh I'm I mean, I mean I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I didn't mean that. That just slipped out. Uh anyway. Turning to the matter at hand, Monroe says that he suspects that what's really brought Steele down there has more with what's in the box than checking up on his humble

Speaker 1: 1:22:36

What gave him that idea? He's standing there with a box that has like wires and broken bits sticking out of it. Like it literally looks like Steele took a sledgehammer to and then brought it back. Can I have another one?

Speaker 2: 1:22:48

This one's broken.

Speaker 5: 1:22:51

I dropped my ice cream cone. Can I have a fresh one? Yeah.

Speaker 6: 1:22:55

Anyway, Steele acknowledges a slight problem. Well, in the script, Monroe asks if his men delivered merchandise, to which Steele says, I certainly don't hold accountable. Perhaps just a good break on a replacement. Well, then Monroe turns, picks up his phone, punches a couple buttons, and then says, Oscar, bring an APL 475S to my please. Hangs up, telling Steele, it's done. And my four-foot screen? Ensconced in your brain as we speak, Monroe assures him. I love this. Steele hesitantly says, I don't remember giving you the keys to my flat. And Monroe chuckles and pats Steele on the shoulder. You're a busy man now, Mick. No need to bother you with mundane details.

Speaker: 1:23:42

I'm hoping he doesn't give this level of service to all his because that could uh that could get him in some real trouble, you know. I just thought this. How is it in my living room already?

Speaker 6: 1:23:52

Well, Steele grins appreciatively and commends Monroe reassuring to see that he hasn't given up their old ways

Speaker: 1:24:00

Yeah.

Speaker 6: 1:24:01

Back at Steele's apartment, Steele is sitting on the the bed holding the package for Gone with the Wind, over the enclosed booklet, and half humming, not quite a tune, which he interrupts to call out to Lester, before Atlanta burns again, Lester? Across the room is the large TV for that era.

Speaker: 1:24:22

Yeah.

Speaker 6: 1:24:23

And behind that we can see the shadow of Lester on the Lester stands, frown on his face, and announces that they've got a slight compatibility problem.

Speaker 1: 1:24:31

I don't think they do. I think they just have a slight moron problem because it's possible to have this much from the Well, I mean, it it be if they needed the RF converter to connect it up to the screws on the back and they didn't have that.

Speaker 6: 1:24:47

But that's it. I mean, and that's that's like a ten dollar accessory down at Radio Shack at the time. You know, so anyway, uh the front door buzzer sounds. Steele looks out of the room toward the front door, then to Lester, encouraging him to persevere, mate.

Speaker 1: 1:25:03

This next line is one of my favorite lines in the series. I don't know why, but it's just I chuckle every time.

Speaker 6: 1:25:09

Steele walks to the front door, opens it to be greeted by a sullen looking Laura wearing her crime clothes and a tucked under her arm. Bit stark, don't you think? Steele casually asks. She advises him that it will be getting dark in an hour, Steele to grin and attempt to diffuse her attitude by observing, nothing gets by you, Laura.

Speaker 1: 1:25:30

I don't know why, but that line kills me. And way back in the day when I first started watching this and fans had uploaded like little big like clips to uh I it was the Steel Watching website, actually, and you could them. I yeah, I don't know if you ever did this, but did you ever do it where you like you turned on your computer and it said something, or you had it set up so you had a sound clip play when your computer turns on? Or was that just me? Okay, so I did this. That was just you frequently change it because you this with you could set it to different sound clips as you it on. So at one point, when I turned my computer on, it said, be dark in an hour, nothing gets by you, Laura. And when I turned it off, it would say, and don't do anything in the meantime. I might, just to annoy you. So yeah, and at one point it was David Bowie from Labyrinth when you turned off the computer saying, Fear me, love me, as I say, and I will be your slave. So maybe this was just a me thing, but that particular quote, for some reason, I just love it. Nothing gets by you.

Speaker 6: 1:26:39

Well, Laura responds that this case is no longer a joking Mr. Steele. I don't have time for your nonsense, is basically what saying.

Speaker 1: 1:26:47

Pretty much, yeah.

Speaker 6: 1:26:48

She says, our client almost got killed today, and a certificate was submitted by a mortuary which doesn't exist. It's time we started getting some answers, beginning with going on at the former Weill Mortuary.

Speaker: 1:27:01

Pretty much he asks, unhappy at the prospect of the small that's being come on.

Speaker 3: 1:27:09

We gotta go to Grandma Grafa's house. No, I was wanting to um play with Bobby. Do I have to?

Speaker 6: 1:27:18

Anyway, yeah, he's unhappy at the prospect of having to Gone with the Wind at some later date, postponed even than it already has been. Yeah. And from the bedroom, Lester calls to Steele that he he's located the problem. And where's that tape of Gone with the Wind? Laura shakes her head in disgust at Steele's obsession with the movie and lack of focus and attention to the case. Steele tries to excuse losing Lester for his own purposes suggesting that by keeping Lester busy, setting up the system, Steele is really helping keep Lester's mind off the case, you know?

Speaker 3: 1:27:50

Idle hands, that sort of thing. Yeah.

Speaker 6: 1:27:53

And Laura nods her head in silent sarcasm. Yeah, kind of. Mm-hmm. Right. Yeah, sure. And frowning at his failure to lighten Laura's mood and her impatience at him, he acquiesces, telling her that fine, he'll go slip into something more appropriate, he pulls off his tie and walks toward the bedroom. Back at the former Weill Mortuary, it's dark. Laura and Steele round the building toward the window and door that she had spotted on the side earlier. They find the door locked, so they turn their attention window. In the script, Laura, in response to finding the door locked, says, It appears Weill Mortuary has taken a sudden interest in security. As Steele is prying open the window, he tells Laura, I've into my share of buildings, Laura, but a mortuary? Stick with me, Mr. Steele, she tells him. I've got a lot of things left to show you.

Speaker: 1:28:43

This is cute. And I know it was probably cut for time.

Speaker 6: 1:28:46

Last line, that's so full of double entendre's. I have a lot of things left to show you, Mr. Steele.

Speaker: 1:28:53

It was probably cut for time, and it's a shame because it is cute little exchange. It would have been nice.

Speaker 6: 1:28:58

Anyway, Steele uses a pry bar to pop the window open, and props it open with this large stick, then they climb in. They are apparently in a smaller storage room initially, so Laura directs them to the door that leads into the larger room through which she saw the women earlier. But when they go through the door into that other room, it's totally empty. When Steele questions her memory, she insists that, or maybe her vision, uh he she insists that this morning the office full of tables and filing cabinets and women up to their necks and paperwork. Steele grunts, looking at his watch, then suggests with great reluctance, haha, that they call it an evening. Go back to his apartment, clear their minds with a screening of not just yet. Of course not.

Speaker: 1:29:43

Does not give up. Does not give up.

Speaker 6: 1:29:46

Laura thoughtfully tells him that they still have one more to play. And resigned, Steele raises his arm in a forward gesture says, onwards. It's still night, and we are at a somewhat impressive front door. We hear a door chime, the door opens, and we are greeted by Dr. Rossfeld. And we see past the door that we are at his home. Laura's hair is pulled back under a baseball cap with a that reads Federal Delivery Service, wearing a white the same patch, and she is also wearing a pair of her famous doomy glasses.

Speaker 1: 1:30:20

These are the this is it, right? I'm right. Give us the glasses. Yeah. Doomy glasses, yes.

Speaker 5: 1:30:26

She also has a package.

Speaker: 1:30:28

We have added glasses porn to sweater porn. Is that it?

Speaker 6: 1:30:30

Sure. Yeah, why not? Uh she also has a package under her arm. After the preliminaries, Laura hands Rossfeld a clipboard, him to sign. He looks at his watch, slightly annoyed, asking, Isn't it a little late for a delivery? And Laura shrugs and makes the excuse that, yeah, you motto on time every time, all the time.

Speaker 1: 1:30:50

She teaches I really enjoy her impression of a completely federal employee. She just doesn't, you know our motto on time every time, the time. Sign here. This is it's it's automaton. Just doing my job, company policy.

Speaker 6: 1:31:09

Your FedEx UPS employee, yep, post office employee, post office employee.

Speaker 1: 1:31:13

I had oh don't get me started on a post office right now.

Speaker 6: 1:31:17

I've had problems with all those delivery services uh in forms. And I would there was one time where we had two packages through the post office on the same day. So same carrier would have brought them, one delivered, did not, and the excuse for the one that didn't deliver was the door was inaccessible. It was accessible for the first package.

Speaker 1: 1:31:39

What can that doesn't make any sense? Meanwhile, somehow the Amazon guy gets into our apartment flipping time without even buzzing us. Like last night, I I had a package delivered, and I they buzz me. Somehow they just get in. Whereas UPS, the others, none of them ever do. I don't know. Do they have like a magical do they just teleport? How do they do it? Maybe Monroe sends, hey, maybe Monroe is actually said it's not Jeff Bezos. He created Amazon because all his people are getting in.

Speaker: 1:32:13

Anyway.

Speaker 6: 1:32:14

Anyway, Rosfeld signs, commenting that he has no idea what could be since he was not expecting anything. He hands the clipboard back to Laura, who hands him the Then, after looking at the clipboard, and as Rossfeld is to step back into the house, ready to close the door, she Uh, excuse me, Dr. Rosfeld, I'm afraid I need your full signature. You just initialed this. She hands the clipboard back to him and he snatches the and pen back up, angrily commenting that he's never heard of anything so silly in his entire life. Which right there with you. Not true, because I think every time you get a package that requires a signature, it requires a signature,

Speaker 1: 1:32:53

True, but still it would be irritating if it was like 11 which we're sort of given down.

Speaker 6: 1:32:58

Yeah, that's true. Anyway, Laura gives him an apologetic sorry, company policy. Taking back the clipboard, she thanks him, tells him the inconvenience. And as Laura leaves, Rossfeld closes the door and opens package. It contains a book entitled The Complete Your VCR

Speaker 1: 1:33:17

I'm wondering if she grabbed this off of Steele's, like was on his um counter or something, and she was because they needed to send him something. Just like here, we'll send him this. That way you can't buy any more VCRs.

Speaker 6: 1:33:32

Well, I mean, he's already bought a VCR. He doesn't need the buying guide anymore. That's true.

Speaker 1: 1:33:36

He has actually bought a VCR.

Speaker 6: 1:33:38

Well, Rossfeld flips through the pages of the book, then drops it on the end table. Back at Steele's apartment, Laura and Steele enter, are voices from the bedroom. It's Lester and Mildred. Okay, you try it. You got it. Oh, darn. Laura calls out to Mildred, and Mildred and Lester living room. Mildred talking as she enters, telling Steele, whoever sold you that thing gave you the wrong manual.

Speaker 1: 1:34:02

I'm gonna call bull crap though, in that Mildred, Mildred her computers. Mildred could, again, like Laura, Mildred could probably this thing up in 30 seconds.

Speaker 6: 1:34:11

So And the method of connecting them is universal. There's differences in the features of the machine and how different features are accessed and operate. But yeah, just connecting up the wires from the back of that to the TV, it's all the same. Only the pictures are different. Anyway, uh Mildred turns, uh, oh, Steele hands uh Mildred Steel the manual as Lester affirms her statement. And then Steele utters, no. Mildred turns to Laura, hands her a file folder, and says she's got all that information on Dr. Rossfeld. Took some doing, had to go to the Hall of Records. Really? At night?

Speaker 1: 1:34:54

Maybe she's finally figured out that lock picking thing.

unknown: 1:34:57

Yeah.

Speaker 6: 1:34:57

And then she had to go to Rosfeld's bank where she did the lock picking, you know, based based on her experience back there in uh small town Iowa, uh, where a friend of hers her out because, and then Laura cuts her off, not interested in the side trip. Well, Mildred finally jumps to the highlights saying owns property in Reno, Tahoe, and the Virgin Islands, and accounts like you wouldn't believe.

Speaker 1: 1:35:22

If he's part of this scam, he's not really doing a very job at hiding it.

Speaker 6: 1:35:28

Well, it's all in the paperwork.

Speaker 1: 1:35:33

Yeah, but like Mildred says a second later, because Steele that he seems to be in someone's front pocket, and then she says either that or the coroner's office is one of the great undiscovered career opportunities.

Speaker 6: 1:35:44

Well, but you know, if you do the paperwork right, you can the fact that you're gaining all this money from illegal

Speaker 1: 1:35:50

You can you can oh sure, but just the fact that you have all these properties and cash accounts is gonna raise some when you were a coroner.

Speaker 6: 1:35:58

Well, yeah, but maybe maybe that's just his hobby. He's actually independently wealthy because he's die and leave him something.

Speaker 1: 1:36:06

Yeah, okay. Although I do like the fact like Mildred making this joke the coroner's office being one of the undiscovered career She's good at quipping. She doesn't always get to be the usually it's Steele or Laura that do the fun little quips, but this is a cute little and she delivers it really well. Uh and Doris Roberts is hilarious.

Speaker 6: 1:36:26

So well, as you said, Steele surmises that Rosfeld must be someone's pocket, and as you said, uh Mildred reports that either that or the coroner's office is one of the great career opportunities. Well, Laura, who's been comparing Rosfeld's signature on the death certificate and the fake delivery form that he concludes that in her opinion, the signature on the death was not forged. Steele, who's looking through the VCR manual, offhandedly that Dr. Rossfeld has a bit of explaining to do. And when prompted by Laura, Mildred adds that the Weil building is currently owned by a company called Perennial Pacing? Laura begins to hand out assignments. Tomorrow, Mr. Steele will hit Rossfeld for some answers. She will explore Perennial Corporation. Mildred and Lester will go to the OBIT department at the and look up the name of Weil Mortuary in any listings over previous two years. Any Obit that has that name has got to be phony. If there are any phony listings, let's find out if the are still alive, and if they are, she's betting that there's a common link with Lester. The sound of the opening theme from Gone Will interrupts her monologue, prompting her to turn around and discover that alone. No one is left listening. They've all gone in. She waves her arm in frustration and stomps into the to find Steele and Mildred are staring at a screen full snow, while Lester continues to fiddle with the at the back. Exasperated, Laura asks if any of them heard her. She just made a major breakthrough. So did we, says Lester. We got sound.

Speaker 1: 1:38:03

And I bring us back to uh my troubleshooting notes from If you have sound but no picture, check RCA plugs and correct color jacks. Make sure the VCR is actually in play. There, Lester, I fixed it for you. Sorry.

Speaker 6: 1:38:18

Back at the warehouse, presumably the next day, because I that they're open 24 hours. Uh Steele exits the limo and goes off in search of Monroe. Monroe asks Steele what he's doing there. Angry, Steele says he's got a bone to pick with Monroe. Monroe assumes that the large screen isn't to Steele's but no, Steele says it's lovely. Although a picture would be even lovelier, as would be the instruction manual.

Speaker 1: 1:38:43

Okay, Steele, you need to take a step back. You don't have a picture because you're not hooking it up And that is not Monroe's fault. And also, you're being a bit rude to the guy who gave you you a free replacement VCR and installed the TV in your So just chill.

Speaker 6: 1:38:59

Anyway, Monroe seems to go into CYA mode, saying that he's to have words with that manufacturer. Steele is the second customer that this has happened to. It's good merchandise, but they're quality control. And Steele cuts him off. Not interested in Monroe's bovine excrement. The instruction manual. I'm going to do you one better, he says. I'm going to send my best man out straight away to make your video heaven a reality. Steele says he doesn't care about his video becoming a reality. All he wants is a picture. And I got to think Monroe is just kind of blowing smoke very few people have direct contact with the actual And even if they do, it's only with some low-level customer service person.

Speaker 1: 1:39:43

Yeah.

Speaker 6: 1:39:44

Who, I mean, they don't have contact with the important inside the company and they work for the company. And frankly, they probably aren't paid enough to care.

Speaker 1: 1:39:52

That and Monroe's probably like, we don't know. This is one of those things where had the show gone on it would have been really nice to bring some of these back to find out what happened in their past. Because we don't know what adventures they've been on, but get the impression that there were a few. And Monroe seems to know him well enough to know that Steele is hopeless with anything electronic. So when he says he's going to send his best man, who does send? An 18-year-old kid.

Speaker 3: 1:40:18

Which I mean, well, think about it.

Speaker 6: 1:40:21

Think about it. Think about it. If if you're having a problem with your computer, who are going to call?

Speaker 1: 1:40:27

Well, actually, a millennial at this point. I'm just saying, I'm telling, I am having to teach Gen Z to do basic, basic computer stuff.

Speaker 6: 1:40:38

Because they just are they older than you or younger than

Speaker 1: 1:40:40

Younger. That's younger. Okay. Like my students, I'm having to tell them how to do like most basic of things because they've grown up with the but they don't necessarily know how to use it. And if you think about like and yes, in this case, an kid coming of age as the technology did probably would be better bet. But Mildred knows a heck of a lot about stuff too.

Speaker: 1:41:01

That's true.

Speaker 1: 1:41:02

And she's she but she's got an interest in it. I'm just saying Monroe probably knows he's hopeless and like, yeah, I'll just send the kid over. Well, he'll do it.

Speaker 6: 1:41:09

And the other reason I think Monroe is just blowing smoke that a lot of off-brand products are really made either in nameless factory somewhere and bought by some you who puts a meaningless brand name on the product and cares less about the products than the so-called customer service people they employ, or they are made by the big name and it has the Joe Schmoe on it. And Joe Schmo becomes responsible for the customer service support, but they don't really know anything about the because they didn't make it.

Speaker 2: 1:41:41

Yeah, exactly.

Speaker 6: 1:41:42

Anyway, uh next we are at the offices of Norman Maxwell, and financial advisor. We see Norman Maxwell at his desk on his phone saying, Not can you escort Miss Holt in, but you can haul all my calls she departs. Maxwell's got a thing for Laura.

Speaker 1: 1:42:01

And Maxwell gets up and what script hints that they were they were an item uh later on, because there's a bit cut when he finds her at her uh loft, he makes a comment about the he he let her go four years ago. But I I'm she has I'm just saying she has a lot of men in past here, okay, that keep cropping up. Uh an awful lot of men that seem to have not only known her but have held a flame for her. You've got Clay, you know, guy in the closet clay. You've got Norm. We've got Preston from the previous episode.

Speaker 4: 1:42:35

Right.

Speaker 1: 1:42:36

Like she's leaving a trail of a trail of broken hearts in wake here. And I'm really wondering, he says four years ago, which is the same time she'd have been with Wilson. Well, I'm guessing he was maybe a rebound after Wilson. Maybe it was uh she she broke up with Wilson and then got with Norm and then broke his heart and then same same I mean financial industry, so it could be that's That's true.

Speaker 6: 1:43:00

She met him at a mixer, and there's a hey Laura, if you ever get rid of this guy, give me a call. Here's my number. Oh, maybe the three of us can get together and uh anyway. Uh Maxwell gets up, walks across the uh an immense room. It's an immense office to the doors. It's like, why does anybody need an office that big? I mean, what's the point? Just to intimidate people?

Speaker 1: 1:43:22

I mean, literally.

Speaker 6: 1:43:24

If you've got to intimidate people in order to your importance, uh, you're a loser. Uh anyway, uh sorry with that parsh.

Speaker: 1:43:32

Yeah, a little bit. Poor Norman.

Speaker 6: 1:43:37

Anyway, he opens the doors even before Laura knocks, her into the room, then closes the door and quips, So you've finally come to your senses and realize that I'm the only for you. And she responds with, Well, you certainly are the only for me.

Speaker 2: 1:43:51

Ouch!

Speaker 6: 1:43:53

They hug and Laura says, It's good to see you, Norman. He reciprocates and then asks where she's been hiding lately. Oh, don't tell me, he says, You're playing hard to get. Well, it's working. And Laura says that she's been patting the pavement as usual. Gonna say that outfit on her nice. It's unfortunate that the side effect is that it highlights just how too skinny she is. I mean, I like a little meat with my potatoes. Anyway.

Speaker 1: 1:44:21

I do think it gives her, though, it has like sort of an to it. Oh, yeah, it's is nice on her, and it's got like a very uh professional without looking old, which is uh sometimes they leaned in in in the case of a lot of her dresses. This is obviously business wear, but I think it is Um yeah.

Speaker 6: 1:44:38

Yeah. Simple, clean, styling, yeah.

Speaker 1: 1:44:41

Yeah.

Speaker 6: 1:44:42

Anyway, Norman sighs and says he has a sinking feeling that this is not a social call. He directs her to sit and then asks how he can win her heart back. And she asks what he knows about perennial corporation. Well, it turns out he knows quite a bit about them. He calls them one of the glamour companies of the 80s as he recites a few of their assets. Uh, fast food chain, life insurance company, about 12 other businesses that are doing exceedingly well. He's got plenty of his clients in perennial, and as a of fact, he, Mr. Conservative, has invested rather heavily in their Then he asks what her interest in perennial is. She says she's interested in a building they purchased two previously. Maxwell comments that that's kind of an unusual request. Especially, I would say, since he's a financial advisor and not a real estate specialist or an expert in real You know, it's like, why are you coming to him?

Speaker 1: 1:45:33

Anyway, uh when he asks I think she was maybe looking for uh like some inside information that he might know about

Speaker 6: 1:45:41

The company's operations, yeah.

Speaker 1: 1:45:43

And then it turns out that he has a connection to which maybe she was hoping, but not sure if he would

Speaker 6: 1:45:51

Anyway, when he asks why she's interested in the information, she sidesteps the question simply stating that she's Well, trying to hide his disappointment at her lack of or lack of willingness to uh come back to him. Yeah, he backhanded compliments her by saying that she's the professional. He then suggests, if she's interested, that he can set up meeting with perennials president Phil Leiden. He and Maxwell went to business school together. Morris says, Yeah, that would be great. So Maxwell, trying to press his advantage, tries to create obligation to himself, saying that he'll find some way for to return the favor.

Speaker 1: 1:46:28

Yeah, I mean he's I I find that that the actor does this in the sense that if you look at the words at face value, he comes it they the words come across as sleazy because, you said, trying to create an obligation. I'll find some way for you to replay me.

Speaker 6: 1:46:48

The actor does a good job in a gentle way.

Speaker 1: 1:46:50

Yeah, the actor does a good job of making it seem uh flirty without being too forward, too aggressive. The actor keeps it from c from crossing over that line, which it certainly could have. So yeah, I think he does a good job.

Speaker 6: 1:47:06

Yeah, for sure. But but still the you know, the the whole idea is still Creating that obligation. You owe me for this. Let's have dinner.

Speaker 1: 1:47:16

Yeah, exactly.

Speaker 6: 1:47:17

Well, next steel is back at the coroner's office. He walks into the medical examination area, which is unlocked, despite no one being in there. Just let's anybody wander around anywhere. Sure, go ahead. At least no one was living, no one who's living that was Uh, there does, however, seem to be a body under a sheet on the examination table, which is, I guess, why you would leave it open for anybody to walk to especially around you know? Um, he began he begins poking through cabinets, which sure, why not?

Speaker 5: 1:47:56

Yeah.

Speaker 6: 1:47:57

Only to be interrupted by a young man who apparently saw sneak in. Steele smiles, introduces himself as the the man introduces himself as Benton Whiteley, London Coroner's Oh no, himself to the other. Yeah, okay. Steele smiles introducing himself as Benton Whiteley, London Coroner's office. Here to compare notes with Dr. Rossfeld. Spoke to him this morning on the telephone.

Speaker 1: 1:48:21

I have to know. Does he come up with these names just off the top of his or does he have a list?

Speaker 6: 1:48:25

He's probably got a list, I'm sure. I mean the the the choice of the names and maybe the are improved, but but I imagine he's got a bunch of names he's remembered over the years. I there may actually be a Benton Whitely somewhere that he

unknown: 1:48:41

Who knows?

Speaker 1: 1:48:42

I think it's Benson with an S.

Speaker 6: 1:48:44

Did you make a typo on my No, no?

Speaker 1: 1:48:47

I was just looking, I'm looking at the script.

Speaker 6: 1:48:50

Oh, okay. Well, somebody made a typo uh in my notes. And I if I find out who that was, they're gonna be in

Speaker 1: 1:48:58

Yes, I snuck into your house and made a typo.

Speaker 6: 1:49:01

That's right.

Speaker 1: 1:49:02

Somehow.

Speaker 6: 1:49:03

Anyway, he says he's there to compare notes with Dr. Rossfeld. Spoke to him on the phone this morning. Man says he doubts that. Steel apologizes. Still concept of time, jet lag and all that. Must have been last night. The young man who has entered and walked over to the table says that Rossfeld got there a little early for his He throws back the sheet off the body on the examination and it's Rossfeld. Hit and runny states. Steele sighs in resignation as he looks at the body, the young man if he's a gambling man. The other man says why. Steele looks intently at him and tells him, eight to five, looking for a black Ford. Steele pulls back the sheet over Rosfeld's face and then Steele then strides back into the office at the Century Mildred is at her desk and without preamble, he demands to where Laura is at. I think he would have known that if he had been listening.

Speaker 1: 1:49:56

Anyway Yeah, he was too focused on his VCR.

Speaker 6: 1:50:00

Yeah. Mildred says, at Perennial Corp. What about Rossfeld? Making a final tour of the morgue is his cryptic response. Well, an older woman enters the office. Steele greets her and asks what he can do for her. She introduces herself as Claire Johnson, adding, You wanted to see me? Confused, Steele asks, I did? Mildred explains, the first of the dead people. Steele, not wanting to appear to have no clue, says, Ah, Johnson, sit down, make yourself comfortable. Mildred stage whispers to Steele, seven to go. Just then a young man walks into the office and asks, Steele? Steele looks at Mildred and says, Six. And points the young man to sit alongside Miss Johnson. Next, Laura enters the office of Phil Leiden, president of Corporation. They exchange introductions. Laura expresses her appreciation of him seeing her on notice. And Leiden implies that he's pleased to see her, even on notice, saying that he's never heard Norman Maxwell speak so glowingly of anyone in his life. At Leiden's invitation, Laura sits down, with Leiden taking a seat opposite, and he offers her a drink, which she And then she plunges in, admiring that it may, or admitting, boy, somebody I gotta talk to you about all the typos you on my notes. Admitting that it may be sounding a little bit strange, but she wants to find out why his company bought the Wild Mortuary building a few years back. He laughs awkwardly, asking, is that why you're here? Saying that he's had all sorts of horrible delusions. After all, Norman told him that she's a private Well, Laura laughs, explaining that she just has some business to take care of it while and when she got there, she was told that it had been sold two years ago. Again, Laura has improvised when Laura has to proper uh without preparation, she can come up uh come being pretty natural and sincere. Although her confrontation at the mortuary with Hare, uh, that didn't go so well. No, it didn't. But um Lyden rhetorically asks, has it been two years already?

Speaker 1: 1:52:07

Yeah, he's bad at this. He's clearly trying to sidetrack her from answering the and he's not very has it been two years off the days. Like you wouldn't reminisce about buying a decrepit That's kind of silly.

Speaker 3: 1:52:21

Yes, sweetie. I remember when we bought that, your your grandfather and I were going down to the baby's first mortuary.

Speaker 1: 1:52:31

What?

Speaker 6: 1:52:33

Leaning forward, Laura informs him that while she was she was ushered away by a man who was very evasive when she asked what it was that was going on in the building. That is odd, Leiden says. Then he pauses as if trying to recall something. Then he says, We bought that building along with two others on that block as simple real estate investments. You know, I as um as I was reading that line just now, it me wonder why would you buy a building and leave it for happens all the time. Yeah, and I I just as I was saying saying that line, I we've got a mall here in town that it had died, it basically died. They had a few businesses left in it. One was a big grocery store in the area, and then a few businesses, and they kicked everybody out of the business five years ago, maybe, maybe even longer than that. And the thing has just been sitting there empty.

Speaker 4: 1:53:33

Yeah.

Speaker 6: 1:53:34

Nothing happening. And only recently, within the last couple of years, did they start actually seemingly doing anything with it and reef the building and getting ready to get businesses back in And so far they've only got one business back in there. It's a it's a big auto parts uh store. But I mean, they they throw and and not only do they have these spaces that are still not yet occupied, and and I know how much refurbishing they've done on the took out the entire center section of the mall. So it was all like a long strip mall, and they cut a section out of like the middle third right out of the middle of it.

Speaker 1: 1:54:11

It's just like what yeah, but it's been said, yeah, someone commented and said tax write-off. And this is a this is actually a source of huge in my city because there's a developer named Samuel and Farhee Holdings, they own like this has been a big ongoing thing that appears in the news every few years or every because they own numerous empty and vacant buildings in which have been a source, and I'm just reading from the thing here, a source of controversy and public attention for Notable examples include the former public library on Queen's Avenue, which is this beautiful old building that when moved the central library into our um into the mall, uh down, there's a downtown mall, they just left that building. The market tower, the former RBC building downtown. Far he has cited factors like development costs and parking challenges for the delays, while the city is now the company on new projects like converting some vacant to housing, though a previous affordable housing proposal not receive takers. So there's there's like tons he has he'll buy these empty and just leave them there. And yeah, tax write-offs, or you know, he'll claim, oh, you know, I I I wanted this building for this, but it's costing too much money for this, this, and this, and and ask the or ask the city for money to to develop or whatever. So it's it's it's a bit ridiculous.

Speaker 6: 1:55:35

And in the meantime, they're having to pay insurance on because you you at least want to protect the value of the so you got to buy the insurance on the building. You gotta buy liability insurance in case somebody gets in and gets hurt. I mean, it just it just seems like a money money pit for a to to buy a building and then just let it sit empty.

Speaker 1: 1:55:54

Yeah, yeah. Like the market tower was this huge tower with a clock on it, it it's a 14-story building, and it it like 28,000 of building space that we're that's sitting unused in the of our downtown core, just for, you know, for nothing, for empty. So yeah, this happens a lot.

Speaker 6: 1:56:15

Well, anyway, after he says something about buying the for just simple investment purposes, Laura that doesn't seem mysterious. And then she asks if he happens to know what the women were doing in the building. And rather than being surprised at the reference to women inside the building, as any normal innocent person would in such a case.

Speaker 1: 1:56:35

This would have been a smart move. What women?

Speaker 6: 1:56:37

Yes, he overlooks the revelation, claiming that he has no but if it's important, he'll have somebody check on it. It's like, okay, you've got a building supposedly empty and unoccupied, and you've got a business running out of there, and you don't know what's going on, and this doesn't surprise you in any way.

Speaker 1: 1:56:54

Yeah, he needed to he needed to play that a bit a little more. Wait a minute, what w what women?

Speaker 6: 1:56:59

Yeah.

Speaker 1: 1:57:00

There's that that building's empty. You know, it's like total denial. That's what he needed to do.

Speaker 6: 1:57:05

But yeah, well, Laura, I'm sure,'s caught that, but she him and then gets up to leave. And Lyden asks what the questions are all about. Laura admits that she doesn't know, but as soon as she out, she'll let him know.

Speaker: 1:57:17

Yeah.

Speaker 6: 1:57:18

Well, after she leaves, Leiden steps over to a table, picks up a bottle of something, bourbon, maybe, pours himself a and as he's doing that, a side door to the office opens and Mr. Hare enters. Yep. Hare. Uh Cal Sills did a great version of Hare from uh the musical. Anyway, um, there was uh another musical reference I almost made earlier, but I remembered last time you scolded me, I didn't do it.

Speaker: 1:57:47

I did? I love musicals.

Speaker 6: 1:57:49

No, uh the all my references. Oh anyway.

Speaker 1: 1:57:52

No, go for it.

Speaker 6: 1:57:53

References are great. I don't remember what it was now. I mean, we're past it, so forget it. I'm not gonna do it now. Uh anyway, Mr. Hare tells Leiden that that woman, meaning Laura, has a liability they can't afford. Next, the agency's office is full of people, all makes and Steele asks Lester and Miss Johnson if they're sure they've never met. Nope, absolutely not.

Speaker 1: 1:58:17

Mildred asks to look at how they're referred to in the

Speaker 6: 1:58:22

At this point, no, I did not.

Speaker 1: 1:58:24

It says the eight people, Claire Johnson, the preppy guy, executive types. Uh, sorry, there's middle-aged man, black man, career Hispanic man, farmer executive. I just found that kind of funny how they didn't even give them names.

Speaker: 1:58:40

They were just like middle-aged man, black man, Hispanic career man.

Speaker 6: 1:58:45

They're not that important. So why why why give them names just for uh Mildred asks two men, both in similar suits wearing nearly identical ties, they're sure that there's no connection between the two of since they seem to dress alike. Nope, one is a salesman from Sacramento, the other an from Irvine. The young man who we saw enter previously asks another man, Say, weren't you in a Stanford production of Oklahoma six ago? Sorry, I went to Yale. Laura enters, comes up short, stares at all the people who out of the offices, and Miller says, Hey, don't blame me. You told me to look into the obituaries and locate anybody with the Wild Mortuary. Yeah, locate, not corral them into the office. Mildred, maybe not quite realizing what she's doing, throws steel under the bus saying, Well, the boss had her bring in from all over, chartered airplanes, limousines, and That's exactly what she's doing.

Speaker: 1:59:43

She's she's ducking and covering.

Speaker 5: 1:59:45

You think so?

Speaker: 1:59:46

Yeah, oh yeah.

Speaker 6: 1:59:48

Anyway, Laura's shocked, almost speechless. Well, Mildred continues her rampage, her rampage of saying that Steele has them booked into the hotel into a and wears a well shirt until they can figure out what they have in common.

Speaker 1: 2:00:01

Oh yeah, she's using him as a human shield at this point.

Speaker 6: 2:00:06

Steele is in so much trouble. Oh, yeah. Laura stalks over to him and prostitute tells him that she'd like it a whole lot better if he wasn't interested in and then drags him into the office and begins uh giving him a well-dressed, a well-deserved dressing down. Have you not heard of a conference call? Do you know how much money? Steele reaches out and grabs her shoulders and in an and condescendingly calm manner tells her to trust him, that they're very close. Each person in that reception area had their obituary in the newspaper by Wil Mortuary. All they have to do now is figure out why. And why the sudden urgency, he says. Well, Steele's tone turned serious. Deputy Coroner Rossfeld is no longer an employee at the He's now a paying customer. And Laura is shocked. And uh Steele compounds her shock by telling her that it was a hit and run. Tough coincidence, eh? Shocked, Steele asks, or Laura asks what they've stumbled Steele replies, the list of Adrian Messenger, George C. Scott, Kirk Douglas, Universal, 1963. Fine film, incidentally. Available on video cassette.

Speaker: 2:01:27

Oh, Lord.

Speaker 6: 2:01:32

Although I do have to admit, he says the last part about being available in video cassette without the previous that he's had when referencing movies on video. Uh Laura asks Steele to skip the sales pitch and just hit with a plot. A number of names appear on a list with no apparent Scott finds the connection, stops the killer, and go. Steele supplies. What's the connection? They were all in a World War II prison camp together. Oh, great. But Steele admits that, okay, he's already eliminated that a possibility in the current case. But, you know, regardless of the fact that the prisoners in a World War II camp isn't the common thread here, he tells her that the eight people out there all share something in common. Something worth murdering for. It's out there somewhere, Laura. But what? She says, frustrated. Well, Steele doesn't have an answer except that they can only keep asking. Steele and Lester are in an elevator at the Rossmore Lester says that he's tired of answering questions and sure he's going to drop right off to sleep tonight. Steele tells him not to worry. They'll hit it fresh in the morning, reinforcing the idea there has to be a connection somewhere between all of not so dead dead people. As they get off the elevator, they see a young man, Rudy name, preparing to pick the lock on the door to Steele's Steele hollers at him, and the young man looks up and says, Hey, lighten up, man. Monroe sent me. The young man turns back to the doorknob and inserts a tool into the knob lock.

Speaker 1: 2:03:03

Now, I realize it wouldn't have saved him. Or maybe it would have, I don't know. But why Steele is there? Why is he continuing to pick the lock?

Speaker 6: 2:03:11

Because it's there.

Speaker 1: 2:03:15

Like not, man. Monroe sent me. He could just step back and wait for Steele to open the which I realize would would kill Steele.

Speaker 6: 2:03:22

Maybe he's he's practice.

Speaker 1: 2:03:24

I'm wondering either if it's if it's him inserting the lock pick into the lock that does it, or if the bomb is simply on a timer. Because if if the bomb is on a timer, then Rudy would be dead regardless. But if it was the lock pick, the lock pick insertion that him, then kid, you didn't have to do that. I mean, then steel would be dead, but you know what I mean.

Speaker 6: 2:03:45

Like well, I would think that it's the lockpick insertion did it, although that raises the question of how did they to trick out a doorknob so that inserting something into the key slot causes it to set off because knobs are typically all metal construction anyway. Right. And so if there was a an electrical connection that you to make, you would have to break it first before you made it in order to set off the bomb. And with all the metal components in there touching each you've got a complete circuit already. So I I don't know. Unless there was some sort of a device that measured a in capacitance or a change in voltage or something like I don't know.

Speaker 1: 2:04:28

Yeah.

Speaker 6: 2:04:29

Anyway.

Speaker 1: 2:04:30

Sorry, I jumped, I jumped ahead. I apologize.

unknown: 2:04:32

Yeah. Slap you.

Speaker 6: 2:04:34

Uh anyway, uh, as he puts in the lockpick tool into the knob, there's an explosion that rips through the door, knocking and Lester back into the elevator. After a moment, together his senses, Steele looks out of the elevator car to see the young man laying on the floor of the hallway. Debris lays all around the now deceased young man.

Speaker 1: 2:04:54

This is a lot more brutal than we normally see. Um we've gotten it a few times because usually the blood real, but like they deliberately got. Well, the explosions are, but also the fact that this was not just somebody that Monroe sent, but a kid.

Speaker 6: 2:05:11

A kid, yeah.

Speaker 1: 2:05:12

Right? I mean, yes, legally an adult, but a kid. This is a teenager that he sent over to install this thing him and wrong place, wrong time. Yeah, looked up with a big wide smile, lighten up, man. Monroe sent me like probably a kid with a a lot going as Monroe says later, and then you just see his body laying there, and it's really quite stark because we normally get that kind of like I don't know, that that depth of in in the deaths that occur on the show. And and this we do, we obviously we do, because then we get this that's kind of what kind of drives this to the next where Laura and Steele are both realizing, hey, wait a this isn't just any other case, this is really serious. There's some pretty scary stuff going on.

Speaker 6: 2:06:03

And it's not just a case of financial fraud and paperwork It's now a case of people are dying. They're not just dying, they're being murdered. Which is what this is. It's it's murder. So yeah, that takes it to the whole next level. Anyway, we are outside of Laura's apartment, uh or her loft, rather. Laura approaches her door and prepares to slip her key into the padlock, which is securing the apartment front door. But she stops when she hears a voice say, Hold it right Holt. And she turns to face the voice. It's Norman Maxwell. She asks what he's doing there, and he replies, You didn't I was gonna let you run in and out of my life so fast, did How was your meeting with Phil Leiden? Unavengeful, she says. I'm not surprised, he admits. Then what do you say if I if you let me try to win you uh well what do you say if you try to let me what do you say if you let me try to win back your heart over a cup of coffee? Laura cautiously says that she'd feel a lot better about if she didn't think he was half serious. Well, he admits that he would have thought that after four he would have had her completely out of his system, but guess not. So they're so they they they ended their relationship four ago. That doesn't say anything about when it started. So she could have been with while Wilson and yeah.

Speaker 1: 2:07:31

So there's there's a line in the script that they cut out, I kind of wish they had kept in because even when he says, four years, I thought I'd have you entirely out of my system, it could also just imply that that they were friends and he had a thing for her and and it nothing ever happened between them. But uh and and I had that as one of my questions in my notes. And then when I read the script, the line before it, she Norm, I didn't know seeing you this morning would make uncomfortable for us. I never would have called. That line definitely says, Yeah, that there was they had whether it's a full-on relationship or a fling, who knows? But they're they were involved. And I think it gives a little bit more context to the next that he says where where he says, you know, I thought after four years I'd have you out of my system. I guess not. Because in my note I had written, did they ever date or was it an unrequited attraction on his part? And then I went and read the script and I was like, Oh yeah, no, it seems like they dated, but obviously he was more than she was.

Speaker 6: 2:08:32

So yeah. Uh well, after that uh additional exchange there that you summarized, uh Laura simply says she's committed. Which is I've got, wow, what an admission by Laura. It's too bad she hasn't told Steele that.

Speaker 1: 2:08:51

And and you you can see it's hard for her to even say it. She kind of goes, I'm committed. Which I don't mean that because she's ashamed of it or but I think it's for her a difficult thing for her, yeah, for her to say that she's vulnerable to anyone.

Speaker 6: 2:09:10

Well, and maybe it's because it's the first time she's consciously recognized that.

Speaker 1: 2:09:23

Yeah. Could be.

Speaker 6: 2:09:25

You know, and and s saying it out loud even makes it because it's not just, okay, consciously now I'm having to that and acknowledge it, but now I'm I have to say that to this to wow. I I really come a lot farther on this thing than I thought had. You know, I I thought we were just it was casual and we're fun and and you know, things like that. No, it's it's it's serious. Yeah.

Speaker 1: 2:09:55

So and it's it's unfortunate that this is this is one things where um for women it becomes kind of an awkward, like it's obvious that she's not interested in him, regardless of whether or not Steele was in the picture. It's obvious that she what whatever the whatever reason them to end it, she was clearly content with that reason. But as most of us have had to do at some point or another, ha feels the need to basically say, I'm sorry, but I'm someone, in order to get him to back off. That's literally the only thing that that basically causes him to go, oh yeah, my bad. Which kind of sucks because it should just be enough to I'm sorry, but I'm not interested. Well, except that and to be fair, she didn't actually say

Speaker 6: 2:10:41

Yeah, she she kept sidestepping the issue and oh yeah, you know, if if you just weren't so serious about that, I that could be interpreted as kind of a hard-to-get ploy.

Speaker 1: 2:10:55

Oh, I think up until she said that line about I'd feel a lot better if I didn't think you were half serious. I think she thought they were just lightly flirting. I don't think she actually thought he was being he made that comment. She realized, oh crap, he really does still have a thing for me. And she probably should have just said, I'm sorry, but I'm interested. But a lot of women have to give that, I'm sorry, but I'm someone. Because and not Norman, to be fair, he he seems pretty of her once she puts it out there that she's it's not gonna happen. But yeah, it just I I have had that situation. I remember there was one time I was in a bar and we were My husband was with me. He just went to get our coats, and some drunk guy came up to me and made some sort of comment. I think I was wearing a kilt or something at the time. It was a dance place or whatever. And he, are you Scottish? And I said, No, but my husband is. Intentionally putting that right in the sentence. Uh oh, is he here? And I said, Yes. And then, are you happily married?

Speaker 2: 2:11:57

What are you serious right now?

Speaker: 2:12:00

My friend?

Speaker 1: 2:12:04

Thankfully, at that point, because my husband was just off getting our quotes. Another friend of ours who was who was there with his saw this exchange and came and put his harm arm around me was like, Come on, honey. And we walked off, which was probably really weird to the guy who was probably going, Wait, he's not Scottish.

Speaker: 2:12:21

Like it was just are happily like what? Anyway.

Speaker 6: 2:12:33

You know, you talk talking about how women would say, I'm with somebody or I'm I'm I'm going with somebody, I'm as a way of avoiding having to tell the the person, you I'm not into you, go away. And I understand why they would do that, but it's kind of if it's somebody they know, it's kind of unfair because it the impression that, well, if things change.

Speaker 1: 2:13:02

Yeah, I realize that that could could come across as a well, if if I wasn't married, sure.

Speaker 6: 2:13:07

Yeah. But yeah. Um and so it's it's kind of dishonest on the girl's part, but I mean, I like I said, I didn't I wasn't talking about that portion of what you said. I was talking back earlier in the conversation.

Speaker 1: 2:13:23

Sometimes, sometimes though, when a when some when a make up a fake boyfriend, it's often because they suspect that telling them they're not interested won't deter them. Well, that could be true. Yeah. Um so in this, but in this case, Laura, that's not what doing. She's being honest. She's I'm committed.

Speaker 6: 2:13:40

Well, that doesn't make Maxwell happy, but he realizes that they are in fact destined to be nothing more than good Right? So she says gently.

Speaker 1: 2:13:50

I like his little damn it. That's really cute. I actually kind of like Norman. Um I I I know that he's like we we said earlier some of his statements were a little bit in the office, but this is it's But you know, I in respect in retrospect though, it you know, given what you said about the um presentation of and such, yeah, it could be it could be that we look at that and say, okay, based on this exchange and the types of he's saying and the way he's saying them, yeah.

Speaker 6: 2:14:27

They had a relationship in the past that was kind of this oh, you owe me for that.

Speaker 1: 2:14:33

You know, yeah, it could be. It could be, yeah.

Speaker 6: 2:14:37

Anyway, sorry, I interrupted while you were saying

Speaker 1: 2:14:40

No, no, no, no. You're right. It could be that that was how they sort of bantered back and forth in that way. I I let I just like the fact that she turns him down and of getting bitter about it or angry or whatever, he just he kind of he's he's disappointed, obviously. We're destined to be good friends, damn it. But then she says, I'm afraid so, and he basically then switches gears and says, Can I buy can I buy you a cup of Can we be friends? Which is really sweet. And I just I like Norman Maxwell. I think he's he's a nice guy that it just wasn't meant in the cards for the two of them, and I feel bad for the guy,

Speaker 6: 2:15:20

Well, before she says that uh, or after she says Freight she turns back toward the the door, getting ready to unlock the padlock. And she pauses, doesn't get it done when Maxwell uh asks comment, as she said, about taking her out for a cup of and she smiles and says, sure. And then they begin to walk away, presumably headed to the shop down the street. It's got to be a Starbucks, right? No, it's not the uh Coladi brothers. Uh but Laura stops a few feet.

Speaker 1: 2:15:49

Canada's it was probably a Duncan Donuts.

Speaker 6: 2:15:51

Well, that's true.

unknown: 2:15:52

Yeah.

Speaker 6: 2:15:53

I I'm trying to remember when Caladi started up here, but I don't remember.

Speaker 1: 2:15:57

Did you guys have Robin's donuts or was that a Canadian? Okay, it's probably a Canadian.

Speaker 6: 2:16:02

At least not anywhere where I lived. Fair enough. Anyway, they begin to walk away. Um, but Laura stops after a few steps and says, Ah, come on, let me make you some coffee. So they walk back, Laura slips the key into the padlock, and I've got a question about this based on what I said earlier. She unlocks it, slides the door open, and is stunned to see a disheveled and seemingly exhausted, both physically Yeah. Remington Steele kneeling on the floor.

Speaker 1: 2:16:28

She steps in and asks People need to stop blowing up or fire to her homes. Like they need to stop rigging bombs to her door. This is good lord. I mean, it doesn't work. Oh, somebody said in the comments, windshels, is that a piece?

Speaker 6: 2:16:44

Yes, yes, yeah.

Speaker 1: 2:16:45

Okay, I've never heard of it.

Speaker 6: 2:16:46

Winds donuts, yes. I remember them. Uh, a yellow triangular sign had a donut on it. I I don't know what the donut has to do with a donut shop, they had a donut on the Yeah.

Speaker: 2:16:58

Whoa, that's craziness. I've never heard of them, but I'll take your word for it.

Speaker 6: 2:17:03

Anyway, she steps in and asks, What happened to you? He says, the same thing that would have happened to you if I hadn't been able to jimmy your window open. He lifts the device with a number of wires hanging off of it. And Laura seems to recognize the significance of the and then asks if Luster is okay.

Speaker 1: 2:17:19

He can disarm a bomb, but he can't hook up a VCR.

Speaker 6: 2:17:22

VCR, yeah.

Speaker 1: 2:17:24

Something is not making sense here.

Speaker 6: 2:17:27

Well, and earlier I said when when we were talking about how the bomb was set off, I said, well, probably something stuck in there. And I'm gonna change that now based on on this.

Speaker 1: 2:17:36

Yeah, because she had a padlock.

Speaker 6: 2:17:38

Yes, that's right. Just the padlock wouldn't have been wired to anything unless you saw the wires hanging off of it. So it could be that on Steele's door it was set to go off it was opened, and Rudy got it open just enough that moved enough that it uh sat off the bomb. Anyway, after she asks how Lester's doing, Steele looks up. Well, no, he doesn't even look up. He's just says that Lester's fine. Then he raises his head and looks at her as he continues, her that there's an 18-year-old kid who wasn't nearly so that he was blown apart in the hallway outside of Steele's

Speaker 1: 2:18:16

You can tell this is is serious for a number of reasons. Like the fact that he hasn't even he's barely looked at He's covered in soot and grime, he looks terrible, but also the fact that Laura just walked in late at night with a man.

Speaker 6: 2:18:32

And he didn't get all crazy.

Speaker 1: 2:18:33

He didn't get crazy or jealous. He he barely even registers that that Maxwell's there. He it it's like it's not even in him emotionally to get up about that, which tells you a lot because usually he into hysterical mel drama queen nonsense over the silliest But in this case, he just he's spent, he's he's just

Speaker 6: 2:19:00

Although he may not have seen uh Maxwell in part because did not come into the apartment immediately.

Speaker 1: 2:19:08

True.

Speaker 6: 2:19:09

But when he does Yeah, but when he does, yes, you're right. And it's at this point that Maxwell steps in and wonders going on and asks if everything is okay. Or introduces Maxwell and Steele, and then Maxwell asks Steele what happened. And Steele, with a little bit of flippancy, but not a harsh flippancy, tells Maxwell that someone doesn't like the way do business. Then he tells Laura that they are no longer dealing with death certificates and obituaries and that the stakes have up considerably. Yep. When Laura ponders that none of this makes sense, Maxwell her to give up the case. Laura shakes her head, telling him that she can't help but that perennial is somehow involved. And Maxwell shakes his head and says, no. I mean, he's emphatic about it. They're not. And his excuse is Phil Leiden's a friend. And I'm thinking loyalty's fine, but that's not a

Speaker 1: 2:20:04

Yeah, that's you know it's easy to say, I guess a friend. I I I it's probably just that he's assuming that because he's a friend, he doesn't think he's capable of doing this, which makes sense. I wouldn't assume my friends are capable of blowing up kids either.

Speaker 6: 2:20:19

And also presumably because you think your friends to lie to you.

Speaker 2: 2:20:24

True.

Speaker 6: 2:20:24

Which is is basically what Leiden has done because he's him to invest in his business that's built uh on fraud.

Speaker: 2:20:34

Yeah.

Speaker 6: 2:20:35

But anyway, Steele starts walking slowly toward the door, and when she asks where he's going, he doesn't answer. Instead, he tells her that he's booked them into a room in motel and gives her the location.

Speaker 1: 2:20:48

Is that a good idea to say that in front of Maxwell? I mean, he doesn't know how involved Maxwell is. Maxwell knows Leiden. He's friends with Leiden, so maybe not a great. But I think at this point he's not thinking clearly. He's just so upset that he's just on autopilot. Yeah.

Speaker 6: 2:21:06

So when she again asks what he's going to do, he simply that he's got to make a stop. So next we are at Monroe's apartment. He's relaxed, reading in a magazine, and then there's a knock on the door. He gets up, walks to the door, peeks through the peephole, seeing who's on the other side, opens the door to Steele, him with the observation that 11 30 in the evening is a bit late for business. Steele quietly asks if it's too late for a nightcap. Literal meaning. The earliest meaning of nightcap dating from the late 14th referred to a hat worn in bed to keep one's head warm.

Speaker: 2:21:42

Yeah.

Speaker 6: 2:21:43

And figurative term, the term was adopted for an alcoholic or nightcap because it was consumed before bedtime, much a literal nightcap was put on. This figurative use began around 1818. And the purpose was the connection is based on the idea that both the cap and the drink warm the body and help one for sleep. Anyway, looking steel over, Monroe considers that, well, Steele needs a little bit more than just a nightcap.

Speaker 2: 2:22:11

Yeah.

Speaker 6: 2:22:12

Steele walks in, sullen and dejected, and Monroe asks him, up? Steele begins, his voice shaky and pained. The young man you sent over. He stops. And after a moment, Monroe supplies the name, Rudy. Steele looks at Monroe for several seconds, unable to and then finally manages to get the words out. He's dead, Monroe. And Monroe's eyes drop. And I mean it's it's clear this hits him personally. For whatever reason, whatever his relationship is between and Rudy, there was a relationship there that this hurts And I don't think it's just because he's an employee, I him over to take care of it. He's one of my best employees. It's more than that.

Speaker 1: 2:22:59

You kind of wonder if he's taking this kid under his wing a similar way that Daniel did with Steele. Or only in this case, maybe more about on the legitimate because we know that Monroe has attempted to go So maybe Rudy, in my head, the way I pictured it was that was maybe a kid who was going down a wrong path, but was a kid at heart that Monroe had uh employed and and mentored and was helping kind of figure out what he was good at. And so you're right. Yeah.

Speaker 6: 2:23:31

The big brother program.

Speaker 1: 2:23:32

It's a really good, like this episode is is this is a huge shift in the episode. And sometimes that feels jarring or off considering that most of the episode is very lighthearted. It's about you know steel running around trying to get its VCR working, but it doesn't feel unearned. It feels very, very logical and very it makes total Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 6: 2:23:56

It's not like, well, we gotta figure out a way to kill Okay. Uh yeah.

Speaker 1: 2:24:00

I mean the VCR plot is obviously a uh a tactic to get this in his hallway, and and we need a a victim that makes the go higher. But it also gives us this moment between Monroe and Steele elaborate on whatever their relationship is and their and how far they go back and all of this stuff. And it does it in the space of what, two minutes, not which is really, really beautifully done.

Speaker 6: 2:24:24

So I I just And not only is it well written, but it's well

Speaker 1: 2:24:29

Oh yes, like Brosnan is so good at being funny in this show. He doesn't get a lot of moments where he gets to really show range, like depth, emotional range. And this scene is a really good scene because he does it subtly. Again, it's not why God, oh my gosh, he's dead. It's it's very there's a catch in his breath when he says dead. And it it sounds like a normal person would sound if they're trying not to break down and cry, and they're trying to be like, here's this information that I think you need to And he does a really good job of it. And so does so does Richard Lawson, who is like you his eyes kind of go downward and he digests the news, a whole range of emotions that play across his face that tell us as the viewer that, like you said, this is a kid he knew and was it was more of an employee. Right.

Speaker 6: 2:25:20

So well, Steele explains what happened. Someone rigged a bomb to his front door and Rudy was working the lock and and he and he kind of stumbles and and pauses then says, Does Rudy have any relatives that we should and waves Steele off saying he'll handle it?

Speaker 1: 2:25:38

I'm gonna guess no.

Speaker 6: 2:25:40

Probably not, yeah.

Speaker 1: 2:25:41

Yeah.

Speaker 6: 2:25:42

Monroe takes a few stumbling steps, turns to look at and with obvious affection says, He was a good kid, Full of sass, just like we used to be. And Steele apologized to apologizes to Monroe, saying, There was no warning. Monroe tells Steele that it doesn't make much sense. Steele sits down on the arm of the couch, almost as if he no longer has the strength to stand.

Speaker: 2:26:08

Yeah.

Speaker 6: 2:26:09

And m Monroe anguishes all the chances we took, all the we pulled. It should have been one of us, Mick, not Rudy, not an kid. It should have been one of us.

Speaker 1: 2:26:21

This is a really powerful moment, not just for for what to Rudy, but for Steele and just like kind of reminding us viewers that these guys have done a lot of risky stuff and come out of it unscathed every time. And there's that feeling you sometimes get of being immortal when you are are able to cheat death or cheat fate so many that this is that reminder that not everybody is able that, and that we all have that moment where we have to of look at reality for a moment, and that's survivor's guilt, because that's what this is. This is Monroe sort of thinking, why should I be here after everything I've done? And this 18-year-old kid who had his whole life ahead of him, it gets snuffed out. That's not you know, it's it's not fair.

Speaker 6: 2:27:11

Well, not only that, but it tells us or it implies a whole about Steele's background, more than what we have told or shown, because most of the stuff that we've seen he's been involved in, they it's been robberies, it's been

Speaker 1: 2:27:25

Heists, yeah, heists, yeah.

Speaker 6: 2:27:27

We've got all these things that he's been involved in they were risky in the in the sense that they could have caught. And sometimes they were risky in the sense that they were with people who were not exactly unwilling to be violent. But this line here, all the chances we took, all the things we pulled, it should have been one of us. I I mean, that implies things that are so far beyond what seen and been told about steel that it it just adds a whole lot to the to the story in our minds.

Speaker 1: 2:28:09

Especially when Steele references the Frenchman that them up in Barbados. Because why would why would you need to be patched up? What happened? What were you doing?

Speaker 6: 2:28:18

Well, not only that, but as and and that's the next line but not just the Frenchman who had to patch them up. It's what Steele says in his reminiscence. I've got bad news for you missing me. You'll live.

Speaker 1: 2:28:33

Yeah.

Speaker 6: 2:28:34

I mean, I mean, that's you I what a poignant thing to say. Monroe said, you know, says uh Steele says Monroe couldn't stop laughing. He tore some of his stitches out, and Steele didn't smile. And it's the next thing because I saw another side of what was saying. Yeah. I knew we were lucky, I mean, really lucky, dealt a few more aces than most people, but it's a mixed blessing because those we want to hold closest to us don't always have the hand, and there's nothing we can do about it.

Speaker 1: 2:29:04

This is you get chills when you hear him say it because kind of gives us the whole his whole um character arc, I don't want I don't want to go back to more French, but d'etre, like the whole reason why he's so hesitant to stay one place or to commit to anyone or to be vulnerable or to get close or to it's too risky. Because it's too risky. He's seen too many people, he's lost too many people, had too many people just up and leave him. And in his mind, it it even if he's lucky, even if he's got a a a good hand at card, you know, with the cards metaphor, uh the that means everyone else around the table So it's it's really a beautiful moment where you see how has viewed the world as a game of chance, and if he's the one skating by, then he can't rely on anyone else to be able to be there with him because there's no there's no guarantee with gambling. There's no guarantee with taking these sorts of chances. And the fact that he would take you'll live as a not a but a a reminder that you can't rely on anything ever is impressive. Yeah. Writing-wise, it's a good, it's a good piece of writing.

Speaker 6: 2:30:27

And well, after Steele says that, Monroe summarizes saying we don't control the deck and admits that he felt that way He stands, walk towards walks towards Steele, and then But there are ways we can even the score. Do you know who did this? Steele is silent for a moment, then shakes his head, no, not yet. Monroe tells Steele that he wants to be there when he finds out. Steele looks at Monroe, and after a moment, he raises his holds it out. Then Monroe reaches out and takes Steele's hand in his.

Speaker 1: 2:31:05

God, I wish they could brought him back. Yeah. He he he's just such an interesting character.

Speaker 6: 2:31:11

Yeah. And it it would it would have been interesting to have them together again to find out more about some of the things Yeah, I want to know what they did in Barbados.

Speaker: 2:31:21

I want to know what they you know. I just uh I want to know more about Monroe.

Speaker 6: 2:31:26

Well, next we're at the Downtowner Motor Inn.

Speaker 1: 2:31:29

Oh, this is a terrible hotel. You can tell things are bad. This is how you know Steele is taking it seriously when booked them into a place like this.

Speaker 2: 2:31:38

Yeah.

Speaker 1: 2:31:40

You know, no luxuries, no fancy. I mean, to be fair, he did book them into the same room. Wink, wink, nudge, nudge.

Speaker 6: 2:31:45

No lights, no motor car, not a single luxury.

Speaker 1: 2:31:49

Um and this also could lend credence to the theory that sleeping. Yeah, I got it. Like Robinson Caruso, it's as primitive as could be. Yeah. Um, but this also could lend credence to the the fan theory that they're sleeping together because they're booked into same room.

Speaker 6: 2:32:07

And neither one of them all you have to do is hang a sheet one side of the bed and the other side. And it's just real simple. Sure. Uh anyway, she's sitting, unmoving, alone in the room, and there's a knock at the door. She gets up, walks to the door, and asks, Yeah? It's me, Steele replies from the other side. She opens the door and lets him in. And Steele walks to the bed as Laura locks the door, and he tells her that she he just left Lester, who is sound Laura comes to join him on the foot of the bed. And after a moment, he gets up. And Laura, sounding just a bit as if she's in a panic, asks, where he's going.

Speaker 1: 2:32:46

They're both doing this really good job of portraying this this like settled-in anxiety. Like Laura sitting on that bed, like just stock still, waiting for him. And when he shows up, just the way that he sits down, the they're afraid to even look at each other. I do like the fact that he gets up to adjust the air because those motels are always so freaking cold. Am I the only one that like you go in there and it's like Arctic freezer?

Speaker 6: 2:33:13

Oh, no, not all of them. My wife and I, my son-in-law, son-in-law and daughter a uh stay up at the Alyesca ski resort here in uh well, the road in Girdwood. And that room was so hot, and nothing we did to the controls made any difference. It was sucks. Oh, I was dying. Yes.

Speaker 1: 2:33:39

Every hotel I've ever checked into, it's always so cold. And I'm always like, can we just turn the AC off? Because it's not necessary. It's February, you know.

Speaker 6: 2:33:48

Well, you know, it's like when I was in high school, or I even in grade school. They ran the air conditioner in the winter, and as it summer and coming out of summer, they ran the heater. Like, why? Well, somebody tried to say, Well, they're testing it. Well, they don't have to test it for six weeks at a time.

Speaker 1: 2:34:07

Hey, at least you didn't check into a hotel room and start voices. Uh, that happened to us once. So we checked into this hotel. We took our daughter to Canada's Wonderland in Toronto, is like this um a theme park. And we checked into the hotel right across the street. And this was a nice hotel. This wasn't, you know, your your rundown motel that they're in. We get into the room and we we're unpacking and whatever and then we start hearing talking and it uh people talking in the room. Like they're in the room with us. In the room with you. In the room with us. The TV's not on, though. And I'm like, what's going on here? So we start looking around, and I I thought, well, we the end of the room, and there was a door right beside it was not a room. So I thought maybe it there's like a communication center it, or like the some sort of office, and and it's somehow through. I don't know. So we we searched around, we we put our head against the wall, we tried to listen, it went away, and then it started and it was again people talking to each other, like back and forth. And we're still like, okay. So I pick up the phone and I called the front desk and I'm this is gonna sound really weird, but we're hearing our room. And like, and they're like, okay. And you know, we hung up and and because they were like, I know what to tell you. And then a few minutes later, it happens again. So I call back to the front desk. I'm like, seriously, we're hearing voices and they're in room. They're not beside the room or outside, they're in the And so they send somebody up. And at this point, we're like, are we crazy? What is happening right now? And the guy comes in and we're searching around and he leans down and looks under the bed, and someone had left their when they cleaned it earlier. They left their walkie-talkie and they had been it apparently, and it was there. So we were hearing all the communications between them. We're like, okay, we're not crazy. We were hearing voices. Thankfully, there's an explanation. So no, just saying, at least they're not hearing voices in hotel room. Um, sorry, rabbit hole.

Speaker 6: 2:36:09

Well, anyway, after he adjusts adjusts the air conditioning settings, he comes back to the foot of the bed and Laura admitting that she's a bit jumpy.

Speaker 2: 2:36:19

Yeah.

Speaker 6: 2:36:19

Nervously, she starts to stand, but Steele urges her to sit back down. In response to her admission of being jumpy, Steele being scared. And she's surprised. Steele tells her that given that they're dealing with county officials on the take, falsified documents, he would be more concerned about himself if he wasn't scared.

Speaker 1: 2:36:41

I mean, yes, but also I think he he offered that admission her because he knew she needed it.

Speaker 2: 2:36:48

Yeah.

Speaker 1: 2:36:48

I mean, I I he's scared. He's obviously scared. You can see it on his face. But I think in in a lot of other cases he might not have it to her, but he can see because she's usually so composed, she's usually so in control. She doesn't normally allow anybody to see that she's either. And in this case, that vulnerability is shining through and clear for both of them. So he's she gives a little bit of herself and he gives a bit back, and it's a really nice exchange because when up and she says, You are like there's this moment where it's like he's allowing her to see beyond the wall, and same vice versa. And it's a really it's a tiny exchange, but it it really because then he kind of says the line that you said, like be a lot more concerned if I wasn't.

Speaker 6: 2:37:36

Well, and then in a couple of missing lines here, Steele her that you've got to embrace your fear, Laura. It can keep you alive. And Laura says, Don't worry, we've become intimate friends the last few hours.

Speaker 1: 2:37:48

I'm kind of glad they cut that out because I think it would have I think it would have come off as him being and silly and and or trying to like hit on her in an in an moment where they really could. I I'm glad they cut that line out. That one did not work for me. Yeah.

Speaker 6: 2:38:07

Uh Laura says that it would help if they knew what they up against. Steele agrees, then expresses amazement that who would guessed that a sweet little old garlic farmer like Lester take the lid off of Pandora's box. Laura sighs, Steele looks at her for a moment, then reaches over and takes her hand in his and pets with the other one Laura looks at him a moment and then says, Thanks. For what? He wonders. For saving my life this afternoon, for being there, for you.

Speaker 1: 2:38:40

For being you.

Speaker 6: 2:38:42

Yeah.

Speaker 1: 2:38:43

That's as close to an I love you as we've ever gotten from

Speaker 6: 2:38:47

Yeah. And and he notices it too, and he because he grins and out with a slight chuckle and says, I think that's the nicest thing you've ever said to me.

Speaker 1: 2:38:56

It it it's yeah, because she's she's all the times where been frustrated. Who are you? Who are you? Who are you? Literally this time, thank you for being who you are.

Speaker 6: 2:39:10

No matter who you are.

Speaker 1: 2:39:11

Yeah, like just thank you for being there, for being here, and for being the person that you are. That's that's that is a really, really powerful statement from her. On most people, it might not be if I should okay. But from her, yeah, that's really sweet.

Speaker 6: 2:39:33

Well, he scoots over to her, puts his arm around her, and she leans into him, resting her head on his shoulder.

Speaker 1: 2:39:40

And also, this is really sweet, this is just like it could it could have gone, they could have gone for a kiss, but this is similar to Red Holt Steel, where I think the writers that this is more of a comfort moment, and to show that they're on the same page. She needs comfort, he needs comfort, and they're just you the impression that they probably just fell asleep with on.

Speaker 6: 2:40:08

And they they're not confusing comfort with sex.

Speaker 1: 2:40:12

No, no, they're they're both scared and they're both just something and they're giving it freely, but with there's expectations or innuendo. I'm glad they cut that line because it probably would have a layer to the scene that didn't need to be there.

Speaker 6: 2:40:25

Well, back at the office, Steele and Laura, along with have gathered the not-so dead dead people and they've been them, trying to find some common ground between them all that could give the trio a lead onto what's going on and who's it. Finally, the attorney from Irvine says, Can't we call it Let's face it, there is no common denominator. Mildred warns, the natives are getting restless. And we're running out of questions, Laura admits. Then she asks if they all have life insurance. Steele points out that Laura's grasping at straws, given that they already know that Lester doesn't. She raises her hand at him to signify that he just hush. The responses are mixed, some affirming they do, others they don't. So much for double indemnity, Steele comments. Frustrated, Laura leans her head back, complaining that she was so sure all had something to do with perennial. Well, one of their guests perks up at the reference and asks, if that perennial's the same as perennial life insurance? And Mildred responds in the affirmative, clarifying that the perennial corporation owns perennial life. Laura eagerly asks the man, who had previously indicated he had life insurance, if that's the company his insurance is with. And he says, No. Naturally, Steele interjects. But the man continues, saying that he almost went with them once, even gone so far as to make out the application with But it was ten pages long, and then he moved out of the and decided he wanted to be with a company that was more, you know, in my area. And Lester thoughtfully recalls that he'd filled out an for insurance with that company, but the premiums would have been too big. And the light begins to glimmer. Yeah. Laura asks the gathered throng, How many of you at some in your life filled out an application for life insurance a company by the name of perennial life insurance? And almost immediately everybody's hands goes up. Laura claps her hands, turns to Steele, and shares her that whatever those women were doing at Wild Mortuary has to do with those applications. She'd bet on it. Steele doesn't disagree with her conclusions, but asks what it means. I mean, after all, none of the people here have been cheated out of any money. Mildred adds that they weren't insured by perennials, so never paid a single premium. Laura turns her head to the side, gives the matter a quick and then with animation says, We're close. We're close. We're getting very close. We just have to get a little closer. And Steele and Mildred look at each other, worried looks on their face. Next, we see Phil Leiden at his desk, looking through papers. His phone buzzes and he answers, addressing his secretary. And after a pause, he asks, Who? Another pause, followed by, You're kidding. And yet another pause, and then I'll be right out. He walks out to the receptionary where Steele is with Monroe. The two men are handcuffed together, and a large tan bag lies on the secretary's desk.

Speaker 1: 2:43:42

The um script has Munro shabbily dressed, clearly portraying a burned-out, drugged-out thief. And then it says Monroe is handcuffed and his British accent has turned into stereotypical jive talk.

Speaker 6: 2:43:53

Well, I I didn't put that part in because to me, he's not poorly. He's he's he actually looks pretty good.

Speaker 1: 2:44:00

I found that kind of funny because I'm like, if that's interpretation of a if that's their interpretation of a of shabby, drugged out thief, I I guess maybe that's the LA of it. Because that's not what I would say.

Speaker 6: 2:44:14

No, that's the Hollywood version of it.

Speaker: 2:44:16

Yeah, yeah, that's definitely the Hollywood version.

Speaker 6: 2:44:19

Yeah, it's like there was an old Jack Benny skit where his had gotten stolen and he has to go down to the police station and and he had trouble finding them because they've got an phone number. You go in and it's a big chandelier place, and uh, you know, it's just all fancy and swanky, and their police dogs are giant poodles.

Speaker 1: 2:44:40

Yeah, exactly. Yeah.

Speaker 6: 2:44:41

It's the most ridiculous thing. Uh anyway, Steele addresses Leiden, flips out a wallet a police badge and ID, and introduces himself to Detective then asks Leiden if he owns a Black Mercedes licensed PC Now, I gotta I've got my notes later on.

Speaker 1: 2:44:58

Perennial Corporation one, I'm assuming.

Speaker 6: 2:45:00

Yeah.

Speaker 1: 2:45:01

Yeah.

Speaker 6: 2:45:02

Why does Steele have a round band-aid on his neck through entire sequence? It's right here on the left side.

Speaker 1: 2:45:10

I wondered that. I I wonder if something happened to Brosnan.

Speaker 6: 2:45:13

But it's only during the sequence, and it's in the office and it's outside by the car. So it's not like they were probably shot on the same day anything like that.

Speaker 1: 2:45:21

I don't know. I don't know.

Speaker 6: 2:45:23

There's gotta be there's maybe there was I didn't see in the script, but it's something specific to that sequence.

Speaker 1: 2:45:31

If anybody knows, I know there's a lot of people that know of behind the scenes stuff, please let us know. Because yeah, I wondered that too. I I could have just been as simple as he cut himself shaving that more. I don't know, but you're right.

Speaker 6: 2:45:43

It might I don't know, maybe the makeup went wonky for that scene, or they except that they had to it whatever was the if it was it was if it was something that happened that had to put something on there to to cover it up, then they to shoot all of those scenes from that sequence, even if not on the same day, replicating that.

Speaker: 2:46:06

Yeah, I don't know. I don't know. It's a good question.

Speaker 6: 2:46:09

And you would have thought they could have shot it from direction or something like that. But anyway, yeah. Leiden acknowledges that, yeah, that sounds like his car and then asks what it's all about. Steele grabs the bag and begins shaking out cassette tapes. He tells Leiden that he found this gentleman inside your And if you'd like to accompany us downstairs, you can what else is missing. Monroe, playing his part in the scam, says, Say, dang it, there must be some kind of misunderstanding. There was another dude down there.

Speaker: 2:46:36

You understand what I'm saying? Monroe, he's good.

Speaker 6: 2:46:43

Biden tells Steele, let's go, and starts toward the elevator. Steele grabs Monroe by his vest and starts to pull him the elevator. Well, the elevator doors open, and this is this is somebody added this. Somebody added this because a blonde comes out of the and in a moment of apparent improvisation, Monroe turns head, checks out the woman's backside, and then reaches and grabs a handful.

Speaker: 2:47:14

It's not in the script. It is not in the script.

Speaker 1: 2:47:17

That is Monroe in character taking uh taking even the blonde is not in the script.

Speaker 6: 2:47:28

No, she she was apparently just set decker uh, you an extra thrown in there to give it some the the scene, some body and some space. And yeah, he just reaches out and grabs a handful.

Speaker 1: 2:47:40

It's funny. It's quite funny because you can see the look on her face. What? She walks by.

Speaker 6: 2:47:47

Well, Steele puts his hand on Monroe's back and shoves him the elevator. As the camera follows the blonde, as she first turns and to being groped, then walks down the hallway. She passes Laura, who is carrying a large watering pitcher, and dressed in a hippie outfit, blue jeans, smock top, long beaded necklace, a choker, headband around some very hair with a small braided bead down each uh beaded braid down each side, large dangling earrings, and of course the hippie version of her doomy glasses.

Speaker: 2:48:27

My question is she just go ahead. She just does such a great job of appearing like she's stoned out of her mind. And yeah, she's got the flu.

Speaker 6: 2:48:40

My question is, how did she get to that floor? I mean, most buildings have a central elevator cluster. You know, and they would have gone up or down in that. And we just saw Steele and Monroe and Leiden enter that, Laura didn't come out of it. She came out of a hallway off to the side.

Speaker 1: 2:48:57

I guess maybe the implication is there's more offices way, and she came up first to kind of like, I don't know, it look like they're not together. I literally my only guess and that that it's not a very good guess, but yeah.

Speaker 6: 2:49:12

Well, she walks up to the secretary's desk and says, Hello. The secretary questions her, asking where Sylvia is. Laura airily says, Well, she's got the flu. May I um she just randomly waves her hand around?

Speaker 4: 2:49:29

Yeah.

Speaker 6: 2:49:30

The secretary tells her, Go ahead. Well, Laura stumbles kind of out of it into Leiden's office and then closes the door behind her, and immediately she's again. She heads over to the computer behind the desk, sets her can on the desk, and begins working the computer. Well, outside in the parking lot, Leiden is walking car. The front passenger window we can see is shattered, and inspecting the rest as Monroe is into his role and ranting.

Speaker 5: 2:49:59

So I see this suspicious-looking dude toying with here. And I says, Hey man, what are you doing? He's dishonest.

Speaker 1: 2:50:08

And to be fair, he sounds exactly like a thief who has been caught in the act would sound when he's trying to make up a story that is completely unbelievable and ridiculous. That's dishonest. I'm not a, you know. Yeah.

Speaker 6: 2:50:23

Uh Steele asks Leiden if he's sure that there was nothing taken from his car, and he affirms that nothing else is out of sorts. Steele tells Leiden that Monroe's character would have taken the radio in another minute or two. And of course, Monroe protests No, you got me all wrong,

Speaker 3: 2:50:40

I was trying to stop the dude from taking the dude.

Speaker 6: 2:50:45

Steele interrupts, telling Leiden that he thinks they go back upstairs to his office and pick up the evidence as begins pulling Monroe again by his vest. And Monroe insists, this is all wrong. After all, he's got his professional reputation to think His image.

Speaker: 2:51:01

I love Monroe. I really wish we had seen more of him.

Speaker 6: 2:51:06

Well, back up in the office, Laura is still struggling the computer, but suddenly the screen displays has her snapping her fingers in celebration.

Speaker 1: 2:51:17

This is probably the only thing that is um technologically The amount of time it would take to print out that dot sheet of paper that she's trying to print out.

Speaker 6: 2:51:28

Well, the sound of the doorknob being turned startles her. So she turns off the monitor, turns and grabs her and as the door opens, she sees the secretary come in that she has a question about her ficus at home. I thought maybe Laura could tell her what's wrong. She says that the leaves are all sticky. Laura repeats.

Speaker 4: 2:51:49

Sticky leaves.

Speaker 6: 2:51:51

Secretary continues saying that it's getting all over. And she thought it was sap or something, but a friend of says it's scales. Well, it's either a pet infestation, scale insects, mealy uh aphids, spider mites, or something called glutenation, the plant sweats or pushes out the excess moisture and from the leaf pores that can happen when the plant is or if there are changes in humidity, and it is often a sign that the plant is absorbing more water than it can

Speaker 1: 2:52:23

Well, to get rid of the botany lesson for the day.

Speaker 4: 2:52:27

To get rid of the secretary as quickly as possible, she doesn't have an answer, Laura tells her that as soon she's finished, she'll write down some stuff, instructions you to do.

Speaker 6: 2:52:40

And the secretary is happy and leaves, and Laura rushes to the computer. She enters the command to print out whatever it is that she's found. But as she's standing there in front of the printer, suddenly a voice saying, Hello.

Speaker 1: 2:52:52

It's did not know about the side door.

Speaker 6: 2:52:58

So she turns and looks at him. Well, outside at the secretary's desk, Steele is placing tapes back into the messenger bag, telling Leiden that going to have to go down to the station to swear out a Leiden asks, Why they can't just do it here and get it with? Steele tells him, Sorry, he doesn't make the rules. Steele starts pulling Monroe back toward the elevator, and they're going, Monroe turns and yells at Leiden, You're be hearing from my attorney, man. This is police brutality, sucker.

Speaker: 2:53:30

And again, the the prowess of Richard Lawson, he's just so in this scene.

Speaker 1: 2:53:38

He switches from just this character earlier of being this sophisticated ex-con or ex-thief, what have you, to the gonna hear this is police brutality, sucker.

Speaker: 2:53:49

It's just funny. It's really good.

Speaker 6: 2:53:51

Well, Leiden turns to enter his office and getting into elevator, Steele starts to take the handcuffs off, telling that he's glad to see he hasn't lost his touch. Except he's doing it before the doors are closed.

Speaker 5: 2:54:03

Right? Why? Dumb, dumb, dumb.

Speaker 6: 2:54:08

Uh, anyway, before the doors begin to close, Steele looks toward the secretary's desk and to his horror, spots basket on the floor in front of the desk. And in a panic, he tells Monroe that Laura's still in there. And the two of them take off, running toward Leiden's office, dropping the messenger bag with the cassette tapes along way. Well, next we see from inside the office that Steele and bust through the doors with the secretary following behind. Monroe tackles Leiden. Steele tackles Mr. Hare. The two pair of men fight and struggle, throwing each other around as almost no punches are being thrown, but banging into Laura as she waits for the printouts to complete. When the printer has finally completed the job, Laura the pages and heads toward the door. As Steele and Monroe, who have finally gotten the upper hand with Leiden and Hare, continue struggling with them, asks Laura what they should do with the two men. And Laura flippantly tells him, You're the playing the Arrest them. Monroe and Steele finally throw punches, vanquishing their Having finally subdued their opponents, Monroe throws his over Steele's shoulder and tells him, I see you haven't your touch either.

Speaker: 2:55:20

Yeah.

Speaker 6: 2:55:21

Well, we are now back at Maxwell's office. He's sitting at his desk, looking through the pages that Laura has brought him as she looks over his shoulder. When he tells her that this is unbelievable, she asks if he understands what the perennial did, saying that all she from the records was that they made up fake policies on those eight people after they moved out of Los Angeles. Maxwell tells her that that was only the tip of the After creating fake policies, perennial then sold the the fake policies, to other companies, explaining that is common practice, like banks do with mortgages. Laura, trying to understand, thinks, threw it out So Perennial made up Bogus policies, sold them, then off the policyholders by using forged documents. The other insurance company then pays the death benefits perennial, expecting them to pass them along to proper but perennial just pocketed the money for themselves.

Speaker 1: 2:56:16

So I have a question because this this confused me. Because is it this okay? Because if you've sold if you've sold it You're out of it. Yeah, why would they be paying death benefits back to if they've sold off Okay. So I wasn't it wasn't me just being an idiot when it comes to like insurance stuff. I I because I thought, why would you why would you sell it then have them pay back the death benefits? That doesn't Yeah.

Speaker 6: 2:56:45

Um you wouldn't do that. My my wife's life insurance policy has passed through of like four or five different companies in the time that had it. And you know, company A sells it to company B, and they send us a little note saying, hey, this company is now handling insurance policy. And then we never hear from insurance company A again.

Speaker: 2:57:06

Yeah.

Speaker 6: 2:57:06

Because the policy was sold as is, with the beneficiaries as is. Nothing changes.

Speaker: 2:57:13

Yeah. That's all.

Speaker 6: 2:57:15

And the first company's out of it. And then if the second company sells it to somebody else, second company's out of it. I mean, it it it just doesn't work that way unless there something else going on that we're not aware of in in the in the uh insurance business where they would list themselves as a beneficiary because they still had some legal tie to the policy or something. But I I can't imagine how that would that would be the case or how it would work. But I mean, I'm I'm not gonna say it's a hundred percent that it doesn't work that way, but I have never heard of working like that, whether it be no property mortgages insurance or anything.

Speaker 1: 2:57:52

Well, to be honest, I haven't, I mean, I I don't own so the mortgage thing I don't know anything about. In terms of life insurance, I we have life insurance, I've never heard of companies selling the insurance, policy to another company. I'm sure it does happen. Like you said, it's happened to you, but it's never to us. So that was kind of and I know that in the states they're like student loans often get sold. Like because that's not the case here. Here, student loans are owned by the federal or provincial and the only the federal and provincial government. So your student loan is always going to be with unless getting a line of credit or something from a bank, if you're getting a an official student loan, it there's two parts it. There's the provincial part and the federal part. And that provincial part changes depending on what province you're in, but the federal portion is always the same and it doesn't change, it doesn't get sold, it doesn't what have you. So when I first heard about this, because I've got friends the states who are still paying off student loans, and I'm what really? And they they tell me that sometimes their loans will get and that they'll jack up in the the the in interest or like that. And it just baffled me because I didn't realize you could it.

Speaker 6: 2:59:05

That I don't think they can do. I don't think they can jack up the insurance the uh the rate because they're compounded or something in a way isn't. Well, there's there's compound interest calculated, but it change the base interest rate and the way it's calculated when company B buys it from company A, they're buying the as is. Right. And I don't think that on student loans, because the um through quote private companies, but their government, the is involved in in regulating it or establishing uh the on which these loans are are issued somehow. And I don't think they're allowed to just change the interest rate just because comp you know company B bought it from A. I think it has to stay intact, they're not allowed to those kinds of terms unless maybe they're not unless the agrees to some sort of different payment plan and have it like refinance, that sort of thing.

Speaker 1: 3:00:06

So I I might be wrong about that, but what I I I know that I and I just did a quick Google search here, and the the main issue, like the main things for us, like I said, there's and provincial. Um, and then we they're based on financial need, not credit history here in Canada. And then when it comes to the interest and repayment, there's no interest on federal student loans. There hasn't been since 2023. And for the provincial portion, different, it depends on province. But in Ontario, there was a grace period of six months after graduation, and then you didn't have to start paying unless you met a specific financial threshold. So you had to be making a certain amount of money before you'd actually have to start paying it back. And then there's also some loan forgiveness. So, for example, like if you're applying for uh repayment so many times in a row because you can't make the payments you're not meeting that financial threshold, the government would match it and pay it off for you. Um, so I had a good chunk of my student loan paid off by the government until I was able to start paying it myself. And then it says here for the US that the main programs are federal and, like you said, private. There's no private loans here, at least not student, student loans. Like I said, you could get a student line of credit, but not the same thing.

Speaker 2: 3:01:18

Right.

Speaker 1: 3:01:19

Uh and then interest starts accruing immediately. Standard repayment begins six months after graduation, usually on a 10-year term. It's income-driven repayment. So several versions exist. Uh insurance rates are roughly 5 to 8%. So it does say fixed, but then it says like private loans are widely used and often with higher interest, no repayment and no forgiveness. So I'm guessing that those private ones are the ones that either selling off their and doing what I don't, they may not be changing the interest, but they're compounded in a way that ours is, because ours is not necessarily like it every every month. It's it's like it's a fixed, this is how much interest paying every month. So anyway, that's not relevant to this at all. I just got confused about the whole selling it off and then paying the death benefits to perennial. It was like, what? I don't know anyway.

Speaker 6: 3:02:07

Well, as Maxwell's looking through these papers, he tells Laura that they're talking fraud here on a scale of of millions of dollars, and nobody had a clue until Laura Lester Shane visited Los Angeles on the wrong day. Maxwell stands and begins pacing. Laura, recognizing his stress, asks what's wrong. My my good friend, Phil Leiden, and that's all he says, but it's obvious that he feels betrayed, just if even from one line. And Laura tells Maxwell that Leiden's high flying days are And regretfully, Maxwell says, Well, so are his. And she doesn't understand. He says, I told you, Laura, I put all my money in I put all my clients heavily into perennial. When this item breaks, that stock is going to be worthless. It'll ruin all of us. Now, in the script, there's some more things here that they left out. And I'm glad they did because it it's Oh, I'm I'm the opposite.

Speaker 1: 3:03:06

I think they I wish they had left it in.

Speaker 6: 3:03:08

Part of it, yes, but the problem is it puts lore in a bad Yeah. Okay, well go for it and we'll uh and even though we know in the past she's kind of bent the law a little bit, this is outright uh snapping it into she committed uh immigration Yes. So but here we're talking about some serious financial fraud. Laura, then we'll wait, give you time to sell out. Norman, weary smile. I'm afraid it doesn't work that way. Laura, why not? Who would know? Norman, the SEC for one. Laura, then we won't tell the SEC right away. Norman, it doesn't matter. Laura, what do you mean? My God, your entire career. Norman, you're talking about your entire career. You can't take this line down. It's Leiden's fault, not yours. There's got to be something we can do. Norman, once this story gets out, the SEC will investigate who sold any amount of perennial stock in the last year, alone in the last few days. Laura, spirits flagging. Isn't there some way? Norman, shaking his head. One thing you can do for me, Laura, name it. Norman, give me a couple of hours to prepare my clients you go to the authorities. Laura nods, wishing there was more she could do. She puts a hand on his shoulder, he covers it with his own. I I do like the part about the explanation about why they do it, but the fact that Laura is basically encouraging him to because somebody's gonna get cheated. Because if they sell these stocks, the people they sell to are gonna get screwed. So basically what she's doing is saying, well, let's break law and let's screw somebody else over so you don't get I think that she's that's not a good look.

Speaker 1: 3:04:57

I don't okay. Yes, but I actually think for her, she's maybe not even about that. She just sees that her friend is about to lose everything ever worked for. And in her mind, she just sees it as being unfair and unjust, and it is. It's not fair to Maxwell or anybody that bought stock in that they should lose everything they've ever worked for the company was corrupt. And for her, she's got this strong sense of right and of fair and not fair, and she's she's I don't know, she she's used to like the system wasn't fair, so she went around it created a fake boss. The system wasn't fair to to you know bar him from entering the country, so she she committed immigration fraud. And yes, neither of those two things hurt anybody else, but I don't think she realizes what she's saying in the saying it. She's just trying to find a way out for her friend.

Speaker 6: 3:05:55

Except that he already told her. Says when this item breaks, the stock is going to be Okay, so then before it's worthless, let's sell it to somebody else, and it's their problem. That's not a person that has a sense of fairness.

Speaker 1: 3:06:09

I don't think she's she's like when you I think she just wants him to get out of this. Like I don't I don't know. I don't know.

Speaker 6: 3:06:19

I understand that, but you you can't get out of a bad by dragging somebody else into it.

Speaker 1: 3:06:25

Well, I was under the impression that when you sell you're just selling them back to the company, are you not?

Speaker 6: 3:06:30

No. You sell them to somebody else, some mother sucker.

Speaker 1: 3:06:33

Okay. Maybe Laura doesn't know that either because I'm uh she's a private investigator.

Speaker 6: 3:06:38

They've investigated financial frauds before. I think she probably has a clue, uh at least a little bit of a clue.

Speaker 1: 3:06:45

I don't know. I just feel like she's not the consequences are of what's happen to someone else aren't necessarily at the forefront her mind, which isn't necessarily uh a good thing, or or I just she sees this this happening, his world is crumbling, and she's thinking of maybe how she would feel because she that to Steel later. And she just wants like when she says, Well wait, we'll give you time, and then he's he said says it doesn't work like who would know? She I don't know, I just yeah, I wish they had care to me.

Speaker 6: 3:07:21

It just it it puts Laura in a negative light simply because she's willing to let other people take the fall so that friend doesn't get hurt. And she has the information that tells her that that the case, that other people would would basically be in the process. And it also kind of makes it seem like she's not really good at her job because this is as a private investigator, that she should have knowledge of. That's all I'm saying.

Speaker 1: 3:07:51

Yeah, I don't know. I just it I I wish they had kept it in because I feel like gives more weight to what happens on the balcony, um, with her thinking about how she would feel if things fell apart for like that, as well as it it shows that like it just shows there's a real connection between her and Maxwell, that she cares about what happens to him, that she's seeing that there are consequences to doing the right thing. Sometimes people get caught in the crossfire, and I think maybe feels a bit of guilt.

Speaker 6: 3:08:25

I think his line though covers all that when he says when breaks, it's gonna be worthless and it'll ruin all of us. I think that covers all of that right there.

Speaker 1: 3:08:34

For him, but I think for her, she's she's dealing with some guilt here. It was her investigation that did this, her investigation revealed the fraud that is gonna destroy her friend. And maybe she's maybe that's why she's scrambling to fix for him. Even if maybe deep down she knows he's not gonna take those avenues, she's trying to assuage her own guilt by pointing well, you could wait, you could do this, you could sell it.

Speaker 6: 3:08:58

It just seems out of character to me.

Speaker 1: 3:09:00

So I get that. I just I I liked I I don't know, I liked it.

Speaker 6: 3:09:04

I thought it was if they could have if they could have it in a way that didn't make Laura look like she was trying to that she was willing to cheat other people in order to her friend, you know.

Speaker 1: 3:09:17

I think maybe they were relying on people like myself not enough about stocks to assume because when she says give time to sell out, I just assumed that meant selling it back to the company.

Speaker 6: 3:09:27

Well, the company wouldn't buy it back. I mean they first of all they know it's worthless, and then second of all, uh they know that they've got this and they're gonna go to the public with or go to the law with it. And even if they could even if they could sell stock to else and make money off of it, they're not gonna buy it back because they know that by the time it gets all through and and done, it it they won't have the money to pay for it. Uh anyway, uh let's get back into the episode. Uh, we're on the uh outside of the balcony, outside of apartment. She looks gorgeous here.

Speaker 1: 3:10:02

She looks gorgeous here.

Speaker 6: 3:10:04

And Laura standing alone, yeah, looking out over the city. Uh the city of lights are fading in and out across the stone wall of the apartment deck, or yeah, whatever that is. Balconio balcony. Thank you. I I knew I knew there was a word in there somewhere.

unknown: 3:10:23

Yeah.

Speaker 6: 3:10:23

Steele comes walking slowly out of the almost out of the as if to join her on the balcony, but he pauses at the door for a moment to watch her. And then he finally does step over to her and puts his arm her waist. And he snuggles his cheek up against the side of her face, and she responds by raising her face so that her lips are next his cheek.

Speaker 1: 3:10:43

This is just a gorgeous visual.

Speaker 6: 3:10:45

Yeah.

Speaker 1: 3:10:46

It's it's maybe not the most when you think about it, maybe not the most comfortable way to stand. But it just well, I guess it makes sense given their height difference, because if it were two people that were the same height, it would be kind of it would be awkward, but you'd be bumping up against her nose. But like she just this whole and this is again, maybe the going back to like just her that blouse that she's wearing. Normally I'm not a huge fan of her hair being done up so so much as it is here, but like it just looks it looks like just windswept. And she's standing there and it's she's the lighting is soft, and she it just she looks beautiful. And the way he puts his arm around her, the way he pulls her close, it's very intimate without being again, intimate being sexual, it's comfort, closeness. Yeah, it's perfect. Like just the visual of it is is gorgeous.

Speaker 6: 3:11:40

Yeah. So Steele asks her if she's thinking about her friend And somewhat breathlessly, she says that she she would do if her world suddenly fell apart like that. And Steele gently tells her that she'd go on, because that's the only choice any of us really ever have. And as they hold each other, lips nearly touching, the from Gone with the Wind suddenly comes from inside the followed by Lester's victorious proclamation, We've got followed by Mildred's equally victorious announcement, and

Speaker 1: 3:12:19

So, two things. Steele's comment to her, you'd go on, because that's the only choice any of us ever have, might sound anticlimactic you consider that it's calling back to his conversation Monroe and how he and Monroe express this frustration that don't always have a choice of who we get to hold close and how lucky we are and how unlucky someone else is. It's the same dichotomy of what happened to Rudy versus and Monroe getting away with all their stuff in their past Laura having her successful business and her life, friend Maxwell has lost everything. And Steele reminding her and maybe himself that we don't have a choice about what happens to us, but we can choose how we respond to it, and all we can do is just get back up and keep moving. And it's a really nice little coda for us as the audience he says this, and then the humorous amount of like we've picture and sound. Do they end up sitting? Do do Lester and Mildred end up sitting on Steele's bed the movie together?

Speaker 5: 3:13:27

Because uh I don't know.

Speaker 1: 3:13:30

I mean, because Laura and Steele decide they don't care

Speaker 6: 3:13:35

Yeah, because Laura quietly says to Steele, they've got and sound. And Steele raises his free arm to pull Laura around to him and he quotes, Frankly, my dear, I don't give a They kiss and they freeze.

Speaker 1: 3:13:52

So yeah, I want to know do Mildred and do Steele and Laura the bulk of the evening out on the balcony together, you kissing or whatever.

Speaker 6: 3:14:01

I'm gonna guess I'm gonna guess that after a couple of what Mildred probably, or possibly Lester, but probably comes out and interrupts them. Aren't you gonna come in and totally oblivious? Aren't you mad? Video and sound. Are you gonna come in and watch? And then at that point they just give up and say, okay, whatever.

Speaker 1: 3:14:23

Then Steele goes into the kitchen, makes some popcorn for all of them, and all four of them are sitting in his bedroom Elliott.

Speaker 2: 3:14:29

That's right.

Speaker 1: 3:14:29

That's definitely what happens after the coda. Yeah, there's there it is, folks. We just wrote a fan fiction on this on the spot, on the But yeah, when he turns her around and kisses her again, visual, the height difference, that yeah, it's just

Speaker 6: 3:14:46

It's gorgeous. Anything else? Yeah.

Speaker 1: 3:14:49

No, I one of my favorite episodes, like I said, probably the side like the case is nothing really super exciting. It's life insurance, but the side plots, Monroe, Maxwell, the the way that the episode goes from lighthearted to serious kind of threads that needle without it coming across as when it shifts tones. It just kind of beautifully navigates that. Yeah. Laura's outfits, whether it's the hippie outfit or the outfit on the balcony, she just looks fabulous in this. And the whole thing just is put together really well. It's a great episode. Yeah.

Speaker 6: 3:15:27

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Speaker 1: 3:15:54

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Speaker 6: 3:16:11

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unknown: 3:16:26

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Speaker 6: 3:16:27

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Speaker 1: 3:16:28

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Speaker 1: 3:16:34

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unknown: 3:16:35

Yeah. All right.

Speaker 6: 3:16:37

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