Speaker 0: 0:18

Welcome to Steele watching, which is a podcast for Remington Steele fans. My name is Sarah, and I'm afraid we've misplaced your urn.

Speaker 1: 0:29

You know, that reminds me of a here it comes. Here it comes.

Speaker 0: 0:34

Oh, no.

Speaker 1: 0:35

A home improvement episode. Improvement. Knew what's Tim is talking to his brother Marty about uncle Harry or uncle somebody or other's ashes. And and Marty's telling him because because he lost the the ashes. Marty lost the ashes and he he says, well, I got in the convertible.

Speaker 0: 1:01

Oh, no. Anyway, that's never how you wanna start that story.

Speaker 1: 1:07

No. It's not. Anyway, yeah. Where was I? I oh, I am Eric and I oh, excuse. Wait a minute. I've just been handed a card from the Department of Missed Quote Opportunities and it reads Uh-oh. Why didn't the writers have Laura or Remington recite the famous Mark Twain line, the report of my death was an exaggeration?

Speaker 0: 1:27

They sort of did. Later on in the episode, he kinda says, reports of our death have been greatly exaggerated.

Speaker 1: 1:34

Well But that's not the real line.

Speaker 0: 1:37

I know. We've talked about this already with it was a different episode. We we had this whole conversation.

Speaker 1: 1:46

I don't remember I don't remember what I did yesterday, so don't expect me to remember what happened in a past episode.

Speaker 0: 1:52

Some timers. Some timers.

Speaker 1: 1:54

Yes. Old timers.

Speaker 0: 1:56

And on that note Yeah. We're gonna be talking about season 4, episode 20, Beg, Burrow, or Steele. And this episode first aired 03/29/1986, and it was written by sorry?

Speaker 1: 2:08

Did we want to cover some of the general comments that we've gotten?

Speaker 0: 2:13

I yes. We probably should.

Speaker 1: 2:15

Leave it leave it to a boss. Forget to do the job, and then

Speaker 0: 2:20

You know what? Shush.

Speaker 1: 2:21

I've got them here if you want.

Speaker 0: 2:26

Okay. Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 1: 2:28

Okay. 1 of them is kinda long, but the other 1 isn't, so the first 1 is this was actually sent along with their season 4 top 5 list. So Right. That was done and then they say, now this is really a separate email, but I'll just put it all together. Just wanted to say how much I enjoy your podcast. When I first discovered it, you had already done quite a few episodes. So it took me a while to catch up. And then when I did, I was disappointed. Only in the sense that I now had to wait to hear a new episode. I love listening to you, especially when I am at work. It makes the day go a lot faster. At first, when I saw how long each podcast was, I thought, wow, that's gonna be way too long. But no, it's never too long. You know what? We discussed that ourselves when when we Yeah. Noticed that we were getting longer and longer on each episode. It was like, oh, good thing there's a pause button. Anyway What are

Speaker 0: 3:21

we doing here? Yeah. Exactly.

Speaker 1: 3:23

As it continues, at first when I saw how long oh, no. I've already been yeah. Did that already. Pick it up where I left off. Don't don't repeat myself. I love the extreme breakdown of everything and also the tangents. Well, thank you.

Speaker 0: 3:36

Yeah. I think I get to know someone likes our tangents.

Speaker 1: 3:39

That's right. I mean, we have been criticized for it. Anyway, I love it all. You guys do a great job. I wish I could join the livestreams more often but it usually doesn't work with my schedule. And then I thought, do I wanna hear the livestream? Then I won't want to listen to the actual podcast and it will all seem out of order. But don't worry, it turns out even if I rarely get to see the livestream, I have no problem totally listening to it in its entirety again when the podcast comes out. I really do hope you end up deciding that there's a way that you could continue this after season 5 episodes are done. I would definitely listen and continue as a paid subscriber. If nothing else, I will probably just start back at your first episode and let's do it all over again. Yay. But something new about Remington Steele would be nice too. Whatever you decide to do, I'm there. In age, I think I'm pretty much or in age, I think I'm pretty much right between you both. I must say I tend to agree more with Sarah on things Yes. Probably a girl There we go. All that sexist stuff

Speaker 0: 4:39

again. Yes. Misters before misters.

Speaker 1: 4:42

But I enjoy hearing Eric's takes too. It's all good. I have not yet given a review of your podcast but I'm planning on it. Thank you very much. Oh, yay. Thanks for all the fun and letting us relive this awesome eighties TV show. So, yes, we appreciate the very kind comments. We appreciate the the review when when you do get around to it. And reviews, you know, we don't we don't focus on them like a lot of other podcasts do because they really don't serve any purpose other than social proof.

Speaker 0: 5:11

Say we

Speaker 1: 5:12

do. Well, okay. Yeah. But I mean, we don't promote them and say, go give us reviews. It helps us get found and discovered and popular and it doesn't do any of that stuff. But but, yeah, it's always nice to get some positive feedback. And then we have 1 more that says, before I lose my chance or forget, I'd like to tell you how much I've enjoyed listening to your podcast. I anxiously await every new episode and listen to them on my walks, sometimes on repeat to make sure I haven't missed anything or just because I enjoyed the episode. Either way, I'm sure it'll be interesting. Well, we're not going to completely trash it. We may slightly trash it but I'll be we're try and be fair.

Speaker 0: 6:03

I'll be the season 5 apologist. I'll Yes. I'll do my best to kind of like lift season 5 out of the gutter as much as I as much as I can.

Speaker 1: 6:13

And I will continually apologize to everybody for season

Speaker 0: 6:16

5. You know, it's I that just speaking of rabbit holes and tangents, don't I know if you've ever seen the the Batman movie, Batman and Robin. It's sort of widely regarded to be the worst Batman movie of all the sort of modern day Batmans. It's George Clooney and and Haven't seen it. Yeah. It's it's bad. But it's so bad that, like, they gave the bat suit suits nipples. It it's bat suits with nipples bad. And apparently, George Clooney is so aware of how bad that movie is that if people come up to him and say, like, I hated Batman and Robin, he will refund their ticket.

Speaker 1: 6:54

Really?

Speaker 0: 6:55

Because he's like, yeah, it's it was it was pretty bad here. Here's your $10 back or whatever it cost in, you know, $9.19 90 whenever it came out.

Speaker 1: 7:02

You know, I've got all those in my my my computer to watch, but I I still I I love the '66 Batman. I love it.

Speaker 0: 7:12

Was great.

Speaker 1: 7:12

That's a great was movie. Corny. It was campy.

Speaker 0: 7:15

As hell. It's fantastic. I love it.

Speaker 1: 7:17

I do too. Yeah. That was coolest. The coolest Batmobile ever.

Speaker 0: 7:22

Was the coolest Batmobile. No. I agree. No disagreements with that 1 either.

Speaker 1: 7:27

Anyway, sorry to interrupt where we were at. So why don't you go ahead start all over again before I so rudely interrupted?

Speaker 0: 7:34

How dare you, sir?

Speaker 1: 7:35

You're so sorry about that.

Speaker 0: 7:39

Anyway, we're going to be talking about season 4 episode 20, Beg Borrow or Steele. This episode first aired on 03/29/1986, and it was written by Brad Kern, who we've seen multiple times before, and directed by Kevin Inch, who I think his name has popped up maybe once or twice, but not as commonly.

Speaker 1: 7:57

So Yeah. Real real common director on emergency.

Speaker 0: 8:02

Interesting. I didn't know that.

Speaker 1: 8:03

And I think Adam 12 as well.

Speaker 0: 8:06

Cool. I went with the TV Guide listing for this. Laura and Steele returned from New York to find police barricades around their apartments and grisly accounts of their murders on TV. So

Speaker 1: 8:17

Yep. Sums it up.

Speaker 0: 8:18

Yeah. Pretty much. There's not really Yep. Much else you can say about that. So I have a couple of questions at from the beginning here. Okay. We open up with a taxi pulling up to Laura's Loft in a very exhausted Steele and Laura getting out of said taxi. The script is funny. I don't know. Like, there's not much different about the script.

Speaker 1: 8:38

There's not a lot. No.

Speaker 0: 8:39

It's it's pretty much the same, almost like word for word. But there was 1 1 bit at the beginning that I kind of had to chuckle about, and I'm just gonna I had it open, I had to turn off my computer. So

Speaker 1: 8:51

Yes. That's right. We had technical difficulties,

Speaker 0: 8:53

was so prepared. Yes. And now I am not. Let's see. Where did it go? There it is.

Speaker 1: 8:58

Technical difficulties.

Speaker 0: 9:00

Please, yeah. You know, I

Speaker 1: 9:03

I once had a friend who said that computers are amazing in the sense that it's amazing that they even work at all.

Speaker 0: 9:10

Yeah. That's true. It's kinda like photocopiers that way. Alright. So the literally, the first direction in the script is exterior 7 47 night, so that's the plane. Right?

Speaker 1: 9:20

Mhmm.

Speaker 0: 9:21

Titles begin as the majestic beast glides toward camera and roars overhead before screeching its tires safely on the runway. It just seems like really overly exaggerating. And then they didn't even have it in. It just starts with them pulling up in the cab. They just cut that part out entirely. So I just thought that was kind of funny that they went to all that trouble to call it a majestic beast, and then just thought, it was probably too expensive. So Yeah. It just got right to the cab. Yeah. Yeah. So, anyway Of course,

Speaker 1: 9:51

you know,

Speaker 0: 9:52

when the

Speaker 1: 9:52

7 47 first came out, everybody looked at it and said, what is that? Because of that hump on the front.

Speaker 0: 9:58

Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 1: 10:02

Quite so majestic in in most people's opinions. But anyway

Speaker 0: 10:05

No. We've got them getting out of the taxi, and Laura tells Steele the next time they're invited to a weekend wedding bash in New York to remind her not to eat everything in sight. So here here's where I have all the questions because Okay. This is this is 1 of the many things that a lot of Steele watchers point at as as as a they're secretly sleeping together thing, because you don't don't go off to a weekend wedding bash in New York with your significant other typically and have separate hotel rooms. Although, maybe they did. Who knows? But my question is, who got married? Was it Bernice? Was it Murphy? And yes, what were the sleeping arrangements? Like, this this seems like they don't have a lot of people in their social circle to just take off for a wedding bash in New York, the 2 of them. So who who got married?

Speaker 1: 10:53

Well, it could have been somebody that Laura has known for a long time. It could be somebody Steele has known. I mean, it doesn't really say 1 way It or the

Speaker 0: 11:03

just it's an odd I don't know. It just seems like an odd thing to do considering how often he's trying. Somebody here has said Murphy is in Denver, so I'm guessing Bernice. That's true. Good point. But it just seems like odd how often Steele tries to get her to go on some rendezvous somewhere Mhmm. And how she refuses almost every single time. So I'm gonna guess if this were an actual wedding, that it's probably somebody that Laura knew or that they both knew, which leads me to Bernice. But it's weird that they didn't say.

Speaker 1: 11:34

Well, yeah. I mean, Bernice possibly more

Speaker 0: 11:38

She ran off of the lines. Than So

Speaker 1: 11:40

Yeah. And I was gonna say, you know, there New York is a hotbed of of musical intrigue, as is Los Angeles, as is Nashville. So so it is possible that it was Bernice, but it again, we don't have enough information. It could be somebody from Laura's past or her her social circle outside of work or outside of her past school experiences. It could be somebody that Steele knows from from way back in the day, you know, so they'll But

Speaker 0: 12:10

Where do they sleep? Did they I mean, I'm guessing they had separate hotel I

Speaker 1: 12:13

would suppose that they slept in a hotel and they slept in a bed. I mean, unless they just really enjoyed sleeping on the street in gutter or something.

Speaker 0: 12:25

Well, no. That's this episode. And and the time difference between New York and LA is 4 hours. What? 4 hours? Okay. So they took off on a Friday, and, like, it just seemed yeah. No wonder they're exhausted because, like, you're losing 4 hours and gaining 4. I don't know. This is it's all kinds of like, might not have them just go somewhere on a case, and they're coming back after a case. Don't know. Many I have questions, answers, and I want a fan fiction, I guess, is where I'm going with this. Yeah, Steele tells her that she took quite the bite out of the big apple and ate everything except the worm. Yes. It's funny. I don't love their clothing in this episode, which is a shame because they're wearing it for the entire episode. And it's not because I think it it's unattractive. It's just they're both in these very dull browns Mhmm. Which is, I guess, it makes sense when they start to look more and more disheveled, it looks more and more Yeah. Like, it doesn't look great, but they just yeah. There's it just it's such a dull outfit for both of them. Mhmm. I guess. Yeah. Yeah. So he tells the cabbie to just just the lady's bags, and he begins to carry her bags to the door. He says it's nothing personal, but he doesn't have the energy to try to coax her into a romantic interlude tonight. Ouch. This is skipping past, like, normally, you've got, like, in a relationship, you've got the honeymoon phase, right? Where you're kind of, like, wanting to be physical with 1 another all the time, and then things eventually start to wane. You know, they don't disappear entirely if you're if you've got a strong relationship, but they might not be as frequent. And they've skipped over this part to like, it's it's not not tonight, honey. I'm tired. It's I don't I'm too tired to even bother to try. I haven't even gotten to the ouch.

Speaker 1: 14:21

Yeah. Well, I mean

Speaker 0: 14:23

That's rough.

Speaker 1: 14:23

Eventually, dig do get there, I guess. Yeah.

Speaker 0: 14:27

So she tells him, that's okay. She doesn't have the energy to thwart his attempts anyway. Laura, what are you doing? What are you doing? Like, you you that's anything you say in that vein is gonna immediately come as out as a challenge Well to which he's he's going to accept.

Speaker 1: 14:44

Like She she just presumes that he was sincere when he said that he was just I was gonna say something, but I I I oh, I will say it a different way. Too exhausted to to do anything. I was gonna say

Speaker 0: 14:58

I'm sure he was.

Speaker 1: 14:59

Get it up.

Speaker 0: 15:00

I'm sure he was too exhausted, but the second she dangled that carrot, I'm sure certain parts perked right up is all I'm saying. Right? So then and true to my my assumption, he kind of grins, and he says, well, I might have just gotten my second wind. Yes. Yeah. So she steps down. She kisses him, and she says that she'll see him in the morning. Disappointed, he says, yes, yes. Why break with tradition? He turns away, kind of doing that weird lip smacking thing that he sometimes does. And then we we switch to the Rossmoor. So we see the elevator door open, and a still very tired Steele returning home. Mhmm. He walks up to his door, and he pauses as he notices there's something odd about it. The door is covered in police tape that says, police line do not cross. I don't know how many times I've come home to find police tape across my door. It's just

Speaker 1: 15:52

Oh, we don't even wanna boy, that that just presents so many possibilities and so many possible explanations and and the the the imagination runs rampant there.

Speaker 0: 16:05

Yeah. He fingers the tape and notes a lock has been placed on his door.

Speaker 1: 16:10

I've got a question about that lock because if you look at it, it's this round maybe like a round padlock thing.

Speaker 0: 16:19

Yeah.

Speaker 1: 16:20

But what it's mounted to looks like 1 of those little sliders that you have for the chain. Yeah. And I'm looking at that thinking, that does nothing because the door opens inward. So unless they have some mechanism where they drilled a hole into the door frame and shoved that thing on there, that's that's that's a bad set design.

Speaker 0: 16:43

His door is is 1 of those doors that we've talked about already because he somehow managed to lock her in, but he can also lock people out. So it's the door does whatever the door needs to do for the purposes That is the that is how the door works. So Yeah. So, yeah. He he reaches into his bag, and he grabs his lockpick kit, and he picks the lock. He hears the phone ringing as he opens the door to the darkened apartment. Ducks under the police tape, picks up the phone, only to find that whoever was calling is hung up. I'm assuming that would have been Laura, although it's never really explained. We don't get any follow-up as soon as trying to phone. I would assume it's Laura.

Speaker 1: 17:19

That would be the logical conclusion. Yeah. But, you know, like you say, we really don't have enough information to know. It could have just been somebody calling him to say, hey, are you back in town? Let's go out drinking. Hey, buddy.

Speaker 0: 17:33

Could have been. Could have been. He turns on the light and he's surprised to see the masking tape, police outlines of what must have been 2 murder victims, though no actual bodies are anywhere to be seen. Around the heads, there's blood all over the carpet. Steele looks deeply confused and more than a little bit worried. So, we switch. He's at the office. Now, my question here, why would he go to the office first and not Laura's apartment? Or or call Laura? I'm assuming maybe he did try to call her and she didn't answer.

Speaker 1: 18:06

Yeah. Because she's already there at the office when he gets there. So And

Speaker 0: 18:10

then you would He

Speaker 1: 18:10

he could have called her. But yeah, it just seems weird to go to the office.

Speaker 0: 18:16

Especially when he knows the office is gonna be closed.

Speaker 1: 18:20

Mhmm.

Speaker 0: 18:21

Right? Like, it's it's Well

Speaker 1: 18:22

it's that might be under the circumstances, that might be the best time to go to the office.

Speaker 0: 18:28

True. But I just mean, like, it I I would think if Laura if he calls Laura, she doesn't answer, I would think that his instinct would be to go to her apartment or her flat Yes. Make sure that she's safe before and maybe he did that, and we just

Speaker 1: 18:39

And we just jumped right Yes. Over

Speaker 0: 18:41

We just jumped over to the office, because that would be then, I think, his next move if he turned up at her flat and she wasn't there. So he arrives at the office, only to find the same police tape over the doors and a padlock on it for good measure. So would they the murder scene is his apartment. Mhmm. Why would would the police tape be on the office because anything in there might be evidence? Or

Speaker 1: 19:08

That's the only

Speaker 0: 19:09

I'm a little fuzzy on why the office would have been barricaded. I get Laura's

Speaker 1: 19:12

law yeah. That's the only reason is that they are presuming that there's something in the office that is relevant to the murders and they don't want anybody to get involved with it and and start messing with it. But yeah. I mean, typically, wouldn't think that you would do that on a scene that's unrelated to the actual Yeah. Physical location of the crime.

Speaker 0: 19:34

And also, if that's the case, why allow Mildred to hold awake the next day?

Speaker 1: 19:40

So see, this is this is why this episode is not gonna make it in my top 5.

Speaker 0: 19:45

See, I love this episode. I don't care if it makes no sense, and it doesn't. To be fair here, there are so many plot holes you could drive a Mack truck through them. Okay? I'm I'll

Speaker 1: be the first to admit. Still have room for a 07: 19:53

47.

Speaker 0: 19:57

Yeah. I'll be the first to admit that this episode is riddled with plot holes, but I love it anyway. I'm just pointing some of them out because,

Speaker 1: 20:04

like Yeah.

Speaker 0: 20:05

When you and it's funny because I never noticed them before, but when I have to make the notes and I'm making the notes, I'm like, wait a minute. Why didn't this happen? Why didn't this happen? I'm like, damn it. I used to just enjoy these episodes. I used to just watch them and enjoy them, and then just ruin them for me. So now we get to ruin them for everyone else.

Speaker 1: 20:22

Somebody says this episode is worth it just for the shelters shelter wise scene. Yes.

Speaker 0: 20:28

So That's that scene is very but, yeah. So we're we're we're ruining it for the about

Speaker 1: 20:32

that 1 too, but anyway.

Speaker 0: 20:35

Anyway, so he lifts up the padlock that is on the office, and then I get he smirks because he realizes it's not actually locking anything because obviously, Laura's already inside. Mhmm. So he pushes the other

Speaker 1: 20:47

door wrapped around 1 of the Yeah. Door grabs on on the on the 2 frames

Speaker 0: 20:54

of the doors. That when she picked the lock, she put it around the 1 just to make it look as if it was still locked in case anybody walked up to just glance at it. But

Speaker 1: 21:03

Yeah. Except that it it doesn't even look like that because, you know, you you you it would have to be wrapped around both of them, hung over both of them to to even pretend to look like it was locked. But it's not. It's only over the 1.

Speaker 0: 21:18

I'm sorry. Anyway

Speaker 1: 21:20

Sorry. I'm

Speaker 0: 21:21

sorry. He pushes the door open, and then he ducks under the tape.

Speaker 1: 21:24

Sorry for being right.

Speaker 0: 21:28

Walks through the darkened main lobby to Laura's office. And as he opens the door, someone attacks him. And it's quite funny to why, because she's like, she she

Speaker 1: 21:35

just Oh, she's vicious.

Speaker 0: 21:37

She's like, yeah, he's he kinda has to do like a judo throw to get her onto the ground. Raises his fist to strike, only to halt just in time to see that it's Laura. He exclaims her name in surprise. She says, you, with equal shock. He asked her what she's doing, saying that he thought she didn't have the energy. Did he think that she was that was an amorous, like who is the

Speaker 1: 21:59

Well, he was enjoying it.

Speaker 0: 22:00

I mean, I don't I don't know how you do it, but it it doesn't like, it's not a wrestling match for for me, anyway.

Speaker 1: 22:07

Well, you know, there are some people who would say if it's not a wrestling match, you're not doing it right.

Speaker 0: 22:11

But, anyway Yeah. Klingons. Klingons. Those are that's how it works with Klingons, but I don't think that's the way it is with most people. Anyway so, yeah, she says she didn't until she was greeted with a police barricade at her front door, just like the 1 they've got here. Steele tells her it must be an epidemic, and that he has the same decorations So as an epidemic. His Yeah. Oh, that's Francis, I love her. He helps her up, and they hear someone whistling outside the office, likely the security guard. So he grabs her and pulls her into the office, so they peek out as the guard passes. And then he pauses, and begins to fiddle with the door. Laura wonders why they're hiding, because this is their office, and Steele agrees, but tells her it appears 2 people were murdered in his living room. She reacts with shock. The guard, noting that something is off, turns to leave, and Steele knows he's going to summon the authorities. He pulls Laura out of the office saying they have to get out of there. She asks why, saying they've done nothing wrong, and Steele says, they know that, but under the circumstances, how can they be sure anybody else does? He tells her he would like to find out who those bodies were before they compare notes with the police. So, they make her run out the door. So we switch, and we see Laura and Steele walking down what looks to be kind of a rundown area of the city. She asks if there's anyone besides her with a key to his place. Not Mildred?

Speaker 1: 23:34

Well, you know, I I I know Mildred's got a key to Laura's place. We know that. I I would have presumed that at some point, she might have acquired a key to his place.

Speaker 0: 23:48

Or maybe she finally figured out that lockpick.

Speaker 1: 23:51

Oh, that's true too.

Speaker 0: 23:52

Or she had that little door she was practicing on.

Speaker 1: 23:54

That's true. That's that's that's true. Who needs a key now?

Speaker 0: 23:57

Yeah. Well, no. That's the thing. Nobody needs a key to his apartment.

Speaker 1: 24:00

Not the

Speaker 0: 24:00

bad guys, not the good guys, nobody. Like, he might as well not have a lock at this point.

Speaker 1: 24:04

Might as well not have any doors.

Speaker 0: 24:06

Yeah. Just like maybe a little curtain for privacy. That's what you really need. But, yeah, he tells her that and and as I've just said, he tells her most people he knows wouldn't need a key. Fair. She admonishes that this isn't the time for jokes. And he's not joking, which he says. He's joking. Like, he he wasn't making a crack. He was literally saying, like, anybody I know can just and we've seen them. Mhmm. Felicia helped herself in. Monroe sent a kid to pick the lock to install the That's right. You know, whatever, like, he his friends don't need keys. That's right. But, yeah, he says he doesn't have a bloody clue who was in his apartment, but their main priority is to get in touch with Mildred. Laura tells him she already tried, but she's not home. She continues saying she doesn't know what they can accomplish out on the streets, but is cut off as they walk by an electronic store and see their faces on display on the TVs in the window. On a nightly newscast, I know. I know. The store is closed. Why would the TVs be on?

Speaker 1: 25:03

Actually Oh. That in the past, that was not necessarily not in the eighties, but I I think like in the fifties and sixties, that was not necessarily an unusual thing. You know, it used to be that to to use a more modern example, fast food places, restaurants, stores, they would leave actually leave their lights on in some some instances at night. Car dealerships left lights on out in their lots so people could actually see that the store was there, they were in business, see the merchandise as kind of an enticement for, hey, we've got this. Why don't you come back when we're open? So, yeah, TV sets in the in the display windows? Yeah. Fair enough. That's been done in the past.

Speaker 0: 25:56

Fair enough. I would just think

Speaker 1: 25:57

Way past.

Speaker 0: 25:58

Yeah. In modern day, it would use up a lot of electricity and energy, so you wouldn't yeah. Laura tells

Speaker 1: 26:05

us about but it's it's nowadays, things have switched where it used to It's

Speaker 0: 26:09

be more like, come and rob me. Here's here's what

Speaker 1: 26:12

you can

Speaker 0: 26:12

Steele. Come and Steele it.

Speaker 1: 26:13

Yeah. It used to be marketing in a positive sense, and now it's marketing in the, the negative sense. Yeah.

Speaker 0: 26:20

Yeah. Yeah. But Laura tells him not to just stand there, pick the lock. So she urges him to hurry up. She plays lookout, but the moment he nudges the door open, of course, the alarm goes off. They go inside anyway, I guess, because they figure they've got time. Mhmm. And to be fair, if it's a rundown neighborhood

Speaker 1: 26:38

They probably do have time.

Speaker 0: 26:39

Probably got a they probably assume they got a lot of time, you know, the

Speaker 1: 26:42

cops Well, and and nowadays, they they might have forever because it's it's like, no, we're not gonna bother showing up. We'll just mail you a form.

Speaker 0: 26:49

Yeah. So yeah. They go inside anyway and where am I here? Sorry. Here we go. To catch the news anchor saying the top story of the evening is the missing pick 6 ticket worth 1 and a half million dollars. Now He continues. Sorry.

Speaker 1: 27:05

I've gotta say, this guy, I don't know who this is. I I I didn't check the IMDb for the credits on this. I'm not even sure it would have been listed. But to me, that guy looks very much like Bob Costas. He I know he's not, but he looks very much like him.

Speaker 0: 27:22

I'm gonna IMDB it right now. We'll see. Who's Bob Costas by me again?

Speaker 1: 27:28

He's a very famous sportscaster.

Speaker 0: 27:29

Okay. Because the name is really familiar, but it's not pinging.

Speaker 1: 27:33

Yeah. Very famous.

Speaker 0: 27:36

Sportscaster from the eighties or just in general?

Speaker 1: 27:43

For a long time.

Speaker 0: 27:44

Right. Okay. Big, borrow, or Steele. Okay. I've got the episode up here. Let's see the cast. I'm sure it would be under, like, TV anchor. Let's see here. Michael, Michael Masters, news reader number 1 and Alan David, reader number 2. So those are the

Speaker 1: 28:03

Yeah. Yeah. But I mean, I I knew it wasn't Bob Justice, but it looks very much like Bob. And I'm I'm wondering if they hired him because of that.

Speaker 0: 28:14

Maybe. Maybe. Who knows what usually, the scripts have like a or the when they write it down, they'll say, so so such and such looks like this person or, you know, whatever. So

Speaker 1: 28:23

We got a comment that I'm right. I don't know what I'm right about, but it doesn't matter. I'm I am just happy to be right.

Speaker 0: 28:30

You'll take it. You'll take it and run with it. Alright. So, yeah, he says that, the top story is the missing Pick 6 ticket was 1 worth 1 and a half million dollars. He continues saying, it's been 3 days now, and track officials along with the IRS are wondering where the person who picked all 6 horses correctly is hiding. Steele picks up the remote and changes the channel only to get distracted by an old black and white Western. He is so ADHD. We've talked about this, and this is 100%. This is a d oh, a western. The alarm's going off. There there's bodies in his apartment

Speaker 1: 29:04

this 1 in a long time.

Speaker 0: 29:05

1 of his movies is on, so he's gonna stop there. This yeah. He's ADHD. 100%. Laura grabs the remote, changes it again, only to see a shot of Mildred being escorted out of the police precinct by detective Jarvis. Mildred looks grief stricken. The announcer says the police still aren't saying if they have any leads on the brutal murders of famed private detective Remington Steele and his secretary, Laura Holt.

Speaker 1: 29:28

Ouch.

Speaker 0: 29:28

Ouch. Oh, that hurts. That's gotta hurt. And I'll have some thoughts on this announcement later, but we'll put a little pin here because I I have

Speaker 1: 29:42

have some And and the clarification is that, yes, I am right. It looks like Bob Costas.

Speaker 0: 29:46

Oh, okay. Yes. Steele looks at Laura uncomfortably as the anchor says they were both shot dead today earlier in his apartment. He says the memorial services are scheduled for Wednesday at Cowan Mortuary. Steele smirks and says, at least they're newsworthy. Laura doesn't see the humor, pointing out they've just been declared dead and 1 of them a secretary. Steele says, really Laura, no time to be petty.

Speaker 1: 30:10

She's dead. She's got all the time in the world now.

Speaker 0: 30:12

Right? Yeah. Exactly. That's exactly when you wanna be petty.

Speaker 1: 30:17

Get the details right, you know?

Speaker 0: 30:19

Right. I would be mad. And you just know that if they declared him the secretary, right? He'd be livid. So

Speaker 1: 30:27

He'd be very offended. Yes.

Speaker 0: 30:28

He doesn't get to to complain. So, yeah. Then the anchor continues saying, wrapping up a series on precious gems tonight. They look at royal lobulite, the newest rarest gems in the world of fine jewelry. Its brilliant violet color makes it totally unique among gemstones. So, Steele comments on how poetic it is that the story that brought them together follows the news of their deaths. And I like this detail being here.

Speaker 1: 30:56

Kind of.

Speaker 0: 30:57

But it's not

Speaker 1: 30:58

Seems weird.

Speaker 0: 30:59

Well, this is my problem with it. Like, it I would have liked it a lot more if it had some connection to the rest of the episode.

Speaker 1: 31:07

Right. It just But it doesn't just stuck there.

Speaker 0: 31:09

Like, it's just kind of like popped in there as like a fan service thing, I guess. And Yeah. Yeah. I don't know. It just it feels like it's a weird, like

Speaker 1: 31:17

It's it's it's a deliberate setup so that he could make the comment about the the case that brought us together has followed us

Speaker 0: 31:25

2 months. Yeah. I just yeah. I wish there had been more to it. I wish they had if it if it hadn't had anything to do with the case, then Mhmm. Maybe just don't have it there. I don't know. It just you Anyway. So we've got, Steele comments on oh, sorry. Already said that. Police sirens suddenly heard as the police arrive, and Laura suggests that they conduct their postmortems elsewhere. So they run out the back of the store as a cop center. Sorry. You were

Speaker 1: 31:52

No. I'm just

Speaker 0: 31:53

Oh, I thought you were gonna say something.

Speaker 1: 31:54

I'm trying to find my my my mouse cursor on the screen because I was getting ready to to yeah. Anyway.

Speaker 0: 32:01

Alright. So we switched to a dingy motel, and Steele is attempting to check them in by using his credit card.

Speaker 1: 32:08

Okay. I I'm gonna go ahead and put it in here. It really relates to what something is said here in a few minutes, but I mean, you're dead.

Speaker 0: 32:19

Yep.

Speaker 1: 32:20

And you're using or at least you're on paper, you're dead. And you're using your credit card, and you don't think that this is going to alert somebody. Hello. What kind of a con man are you, really? I mean, not a very good 1, apparently.

Speaker 0: 32:33

I mean, neither of them have any cash, so I'm assuming that they were

Speaker 1: 32:37

hoping that's another issue I'm gonna bring up too.

Speaker 0: 32:39

Yeah. I I guess that they were both hoping that the banks hadn't gotten around to canceling the cards or something. I don't know. I'm not entirely sure how that works or how because it was supposed to just be earlier that day. Exactly. Maybe he's hoping that that

Speaker 1: 32:54

But if it's just a stolen credit card, it can take a while. I I I know. If it's something like this where it's perhaps relevant to a crime, then they might, you know, the police might get that information to the credit card companies a lot quicker and say, hey, here's this deal. We need to find out if somebody's gonna be using this card. So if somebody if so if somebody presents it and uses

Speaker 0: 33:20

it, you know Yeah. That's true.

Speaker 1: 33:22

Send out an an alert.

Speaker 0: 33:24

I just So

Speaker 1: 33:25

I think it was just a dumb decision.

Speaker 0: 33:27

The best they could do it with the circumstances they were in. Although, and I'll have a question about where they could have gone in a minute, but yeah. So Steele is attempting to check them in using the credit card. Kirk swipes the card, punches the number in only to get a warning on the machine saying stolen card and to call in. He hands Steele the card and the keys, and Steele doesn't suspect anything. He thanks them, they leave. The moment they're gone, he picks up the phone and makes the call. So they enter the most hideous hotel room on the planet. Well Oh my god.

Speaker 1: 33:56

Not the most, but I mean, it's certainly in in contention.

Speaker 0: 34:00

There's bodies buried under those floors. Okay? I guarantee you that that is, like, that is serial killer territory right

Speaker 1: 34:09

And let's not talk about what kind of critters might be living

Speaker 0: 34:14

Right? Oh my god. It's it's an eyesore. The wallpaper is peeling. I

Speaker 1: 34:18

you know, I look at this and I think bed bugs. I'm sorry.

Speaker 0: 34:21

Yeah. That would be my first thing. I would check the bed 100%. I I mean, I do that anyway. Go

Speaker 1: 34:28

ahead.

Speaker 0: 34:29

No. I yeah. I if

Speaker 1: 34:31

I know how settle. High end motels even get hit with bedbug issues.

Speaker 0: 34:36

Oh, yeah.

Speaker 1: 34:36

And Yeah. And I'll tell you, once you get them, it's hard to deal with them.

Speaker 0: 34:41

Impossible to get rid of practically. They are like, a friend of mine had them in her apartment, and it was a nice apartment. It wasn't Mhmm. Anything to do with, like yeah. And once you get them, it's like, oof. So, yeah, I would I would not be sleeping in that bed. Laura wonders what makes them think that they were the ones who were murdered, and wonders who the actual victims are. Steele, looking around the motel room, takes off his jacket and muses that they're if they're dead, this must be hell, and I agree. Yeah. That is a hell.

Speaker 1: 35:10

Maybe the annex.

Speaker 0: 35:13

Laura picks up the phone and begins dialing a number. Steele asks what she's doing, and she tells him she's calling her sister. He takes the phone and puts it down. She's asked, what are you doing? He says, saving your hide along with your sisters. Laura protests she just wants her to let her know she's alive, and Steele says they can't let anyone know they're alive until they find out who wanted them dead. And I don't necessarily I mean, Francis and Donald know what they do for a living.

Speaker 1: 35:38

Right.

Speaker 0: 35:39

If Laura had called and said, we're alive. Let mother know. Don't say anything to anybody else or something. I'm sure Francis would know enough, or at least maybe Donald would. Francis is tiny bit flighty. But I think Donald would be smart enough to just say, okay.

Speaker 1: 35:54

Cool. Yeah. But see, as as long as Frances knows and if she's flighty at all, it's gonna get out. You know, it's it's the weakest link of a chain type scenario. You don't wanna let anybody know that could potentially let the information out. Better to let them Yeah. Suffer perhaps for a short time than to Well to risk them having that information, risk them letting it get out and everybody being in danger instead of just stealing Laura. But

Speaker 0: 36:27

Fair enough.

Speaker 1: 36:29

But I I mean, I understand the sentiment of of not wanting family to worry. I understand

Speaker 0: 36:33

that. Yeah. Exactly. Someone out there thinks they that they've murdered them, and if they find out they made a mistake, they're sitting ducks. Laura wonders if in the meantime, they're supposed to play possum. As she says that, a car can be heard outside, and we see blue and red flashing lights that indicate it's a police car. Steele turns her, asking if they could have followed them from the TV store, and Laura suggests that they might be wondering who's using a dead man's credit card. He tells her they can't stick around to find out and opens a window. She begins to climb out, asking where they're going, and he says, someplace warm and cozy. The next scene, I love this. I absolutely love this. We see the exterior shot of a porno theater. Yeah. And the film on the marquee is Hot Hips Holly, triple x rated. Wow. I have so many questions. First of all, how often has he had to do this? Well,

Speaker 1: 37:33

he doesn't he hasn't necessarily had to do this in the past just because he did it this time. But at least he's aware of the, shall we say, benefits of such a place in terms of, you know, staying out of the public eye.

Speaker 0: 37:50

So and here's the okay. I I hate that I googled this because

Speaker 1: 37:53

Oh, no. Your Internet search has

Speaker 0: 37:56

First. Yeah. Right?

Speaker 1: 37:58

First, I just watching you like crazy.

Speaker 0: 38:01

Yeah. Well, first, I googled the title because I wanted to see if this was an actual film. Right? Because and okay. You made a home a home improvement reference, so I get to make a bunch of no. But there's an episode where Buffy and Angel go to see a movie, and they they're coming out of the movie, and they didn't realize that the movie they were going to see was some sort of erotic film, because they're both deeply uncomfortable when they come out of the movie. And the title on the screen, or on the movie theater that they go to see is Le Banquet de Amelia. And Buffy's like, I thought from the title, it was about food. And Angel's like, yep, there was food. And she's like, right. The scene with the food. So it's just sort of left to our imaginations as to what was happening. But like so I was wondering, like, is this a real I could not find any evidence that this is a real x rated film, to be fair. I didn't look that deeply because I didn't want to. But these types of movie theaters, okay? Mhmm. I have never seen 1. Like, I've never seen, like, driving past it or whatever. I I see them in movies all the time, like or or have, like, they reference them in movies. Mhmm. But I've never actually seen, like, any of these theaters. So I googled whether or not they actually existed. The earliest erotic theaters in The US were in California and showed 35 millimeter low production quality independently produced films. In 1960, there existed about 20 theaters in The US that showed erotic movies exclusively. In the late 19 sixties and early seventies, that spread to the rest of the country. The O'Farrell Theatre in San Francisco, 1 of America's oldest and best known adult entertainment establishments, opened as an adult movie theater in 1969. Small storefront theaters with only a dozen seats sprang up, and by 1970, 7 50 pornographic theaters existed in The US. In the seventies, theaters shifted from showing 35 millimeter sexploitation films to more explicit 16 millimeter, quote unquote, sorry, beaver films. And in the eighties, some some theater owners began forming chains to cut their costs. And by 1989, the number of US erotic theaters had fallen below 250. Restrictions on adult theaters vary by region and may be restricted to local and state regulations. Local governments commonly prohibit adult theaters from operating within a certain distance of residential areas, parks, churches, and or schools. Often erotic theaters have been forced to move to the outskirts of cities in order to protect real estate prices in the city centers. So, and apparently, Renton, Washington was involved in a 1986 Supreme Court case regarding the issue. Its decision on Renton v. Playtime Theaters, Inc, the court upheld Renton's statute that no adult theater be located within 1,000 feet of a school, park, church, or residential zone. The court rejected the theater owner's argument that the statute violated the First Amendment because the statute did not seek to ban the existence of the theaters outright. So they apparently did exist, which I didn't know. And I've yeah.

Speaker 1: 40:58

Don't I seem to recall driving past 1 in Downtown Portland in the past

Speaker 0: 41:05

Oh, okay. When

Speaker 1: 41:06

I lived there. I don't remember I would have been down there for something work related, I'm sure, driving either a truck or or something. But, yeah, I I remember seeing theaters that were if they appeared to be that sort of theater. Yeah. And this is just Investigated them.

Speaker 0: 41:29

Kinds of places always just seem weird to me simply because you're going to a public place to watch something like that. Just why would I don't know. I I don't know that that would produce a specific physical reaction theoretically for men. And I'm assuming that's the primary customer base, although I'm not saying some women probably didn't go. Why would you wanna have that happen surrounded by I don't know.

Speaker 1: 41:55

It just Well, I mean, in 1 sense

Speaker 0: 41:59

Same thing with a strip club.

Speaker 1: 42:00

That's what I was gonna say. In in 1 sense Yeah. It's not really that different. A little more extreme, but it's not that different than a strip club. And and I'll tell you, we've got a place down here called the Bush Company, which is a play on words. It's it's a play on words because Alaskan Bush is is, you know, areas of the state that is remote and only accessible by airplane. So it's called the Bush Company. And when I was doing, rideshare, Uber and Lyft in the evenings and on weekends, it was not unusual for me to take couples there.

Speaker 0: 42:33

So Yeah. I know I know couples do go, and and that I can almost understand simply because, like, it's an experience you're sharing with your other whether or not I would want to go is, you know, whatever. But, like, I don't know. Just going on your own or with your male buddies seems odd. But, yeah. So, we have we had 3 of those clubs, but the the funny the the 1 with the funny name here was the famous Flesh Gordons. That that has now closed down. But it was I always got a kick driving by it, because I was like, that's at least that's clever. I appreciate the pun. But, yes. They've been inside this this movie theater. They exit, and Laura looks they they both look disheveled, Steele stretches, and says, there's nothing like a good night's sleep. And Laura exclaims that she can't believe she spent the entire night in a porno movie house. Steele tells her it's not the Ritz Carlton. Laura interrupts saying, she doesn't know how he could get any sleep with all that moaning and groaning. And I gotta say, okay, same because, like, how how like, did they sleep right in the main, like, did were they in the seats? Did they watch the movie? Or did would were they

Speaker 1: 43:50

assume so because I I I can't imagine those places have a very large lobby.

Speaker 0: 43:55

No. I would I thought maybe, like,

Speaker 1: 43:58

you know And I'm sure they don't sell things like popcorn and and hot dogs.

Speaker 0: 44:02

I mean, if they had hidden somewhere like in the projector booth or something, I don't know, but like, it just

Speaker 1: 44:07

It probably wouldn't have been allowed up there.

Speaker 0: 44:08

So Yeah. True. So they're hiding in the back, theoretically, in the back. Although I would think Oh, yeah. With 1 of those theaters, everybody would be hiding in the back. So probably I don't know. Did they watch it? Did they sit there and watch it?

Speaker 1: 44:22

Well

Speaker 0: 44:22

I'm guessing Steele watched it. That's all I'm going with. Well,

Speaker 1: 44:27

she she she kinda hints that they were trying to sleep. They weren't successful because.

Speaker 0: 44:37

With all that moaning and groaning and unsteel jokes that you don't have to apologize, I can hardly hear you.

Speaker 1: 44:41

Yeah. Know.

Speaker 0: 44:45

Yeah. And then he asked, where else could they spend the night on $10? Laura tells him that if he carried cash, they could find more cash they could find out. Why doesn't she carry cash? Where's her cash?

Speaker 1: 44:55

Well, that's 1 of the things. But then he says, I never carry cash. Too bulky. Excuse me. How many episodes have we seen recently where he is carrying cash and has not only cash but coins? I mean, in an episode here not too long ago, he was feeding coins into a telephone that he pulled out of his own pocket. So there's an inconsistency in the application of the I never carry cash.

Speaker 0: 45:29

Steel's wallet is Schrodinger's wallet. There's only money there when there needs to be money. But but yeah.

Speaker 1: 45:37

It it only has money in it if until you look to see if it has money in it.

Speaker 0: 45:42

Exactly. Exactly. But why why doesn't she have cash? Like

Speaker 1: 45:46

Yeah.

Speaker 0: 45:47

She she usually does have cash. We've seen multiple occasions where he doesn't have cash, so she's had to bribe the informant or whatever.

Speaker 1: 45:54

Right? She spent it all on the plane buying dinner.

Speaker 0: 45:58

Or at the wedding. Maybe they spent it all at the bar.

Speaker 1: 46:03

Yeah. Well or or on the plane buying dinner coming back.

Speaker 0: 46:05

Yeah. That's true. So either way, they don't have any money. So she tells that she also, why didn't they just go to Mildred's house?

Speaker 1: 46:16

Well, I guess they they figured that whoever maybe the police were were watching Mildred's house because of the investigation and wondering if maybe Mildred would be a target next or they figured that whoever went after them might go after Mildred, so they wanted to avoid Yeah. That's the appearance that that would reveal their existence.

Speaker 0: 46:40

Yeah. Okay. Fair enough. So, yeah. She tells Steele, the police would have lifted the barricade by now and they can catch up with Mildred at the office and find out what's going on. At the office, we see the stairwell, inside the stairwell that's, the door open, and Steele and Laura's heads kind of poke out 1 on top of the other. I do like that visual of the 2 of them sort of, like, stacked, just watching what's happening. They're looking at the office, and Mildred is inside pacing back and forth in front of a photo of the 2 of them surrounded by flowers. She's clearly organized a wake of some kind. Steele comments on how poor Mildred has prepared a wake in their memory. It is really kind of, like, sad. Like, she just looks so upset. And then they watch as they're, like, they're about to exit the staircase when they see someone coming down the hallway. Duck back inside as what we know to be Harrigan walking towards the office. He's got a black armband on. I'm assuming that's like a sign of respect for the the dead.

Speaker 1: 47:39

The mourning yeah. Mourners wear the black wear black armband.

Speaker 0: 47:44

Yeah. Yeah. So he goes inside, and Steele guesses, ex client? Laura shakes her head saying, not that she remembers. Inside, the man goes up to Mildred, grasps her hands, telling her that she must be in terrible pain. She smiles and says they were very special people. Condolences apparently over, the man tells her that Steele was holding a package for him, asks if she knows anything about it. Mildred asks who he is. But before we get an answer, 3 more men come down the hallway. A man in a black suit with a white tie flanked by 2 men. Like, he's honestly, did he shop at Gangsters R Us? Like like, if you were to imagine gangster, this guy comes into your head. Like, he's literally got the, you know, everything but the but the, like, flower lapel sort of thing, like the the rose in his Mhmm. Breast pocket or what have you, like Carnation. Yeah. Exactly. That's what I trying to think of. So, yeah. He could not look more like a gangster if he tried.

Speaker 1: 48:42

That's right.

Speaker 0: 48:43

Uh-huh. And he's flanked by too many gray suits. Laura and Steele duck back into the stairwell again. They're also wearing armbands as they go in, and Laura comments that they must be from Steel's side. I like the snarking back and forth about the different mourners. Like, this this part is cute. The man in the white tie offers Mildred his heartfelt condolences before introducing himself as pit again, Pittsburgh Phil. Okay. Let's I'm a gangster. Ask me how. That should be his name tag. You know?

Speaker 1: 49:18

Ask me how you could be 1 too.

Speaker 0: 49:20

Exactly. It's a name she recognizes, but he doesn't wait before he launches into the same request, asking if mister Steele left an envelope or something for him. Mildred says, not that she remembers, and Phil looks disappointed. We then see a nun heading towards the office. And as she goes in, steals, snarkly tells Lauren She

Speaker 1: 49:39

was be

Speaker 0: 49:40

would speak from her side. And the glare that she just sort of gives him is perfect. It's quite funny. Stephanie just killing it there. The mum goes up to Mildred, takes her hand, introducing herself as sister Natalie and extending her deepest condolences. Mildred thanks her and asks if she knew them well. Sister Natalie says she never met them, but she was wondering if mister Steele left something for the church. Mildred, looking extra confused now, says she doesn't think mister Steele was a very religious man. That's an interesting

Speaker 1: 50:15

We had a comment about Steele carrying money, reminding us that, yes, he also carries a bunny clip.

Speaker 0: 50:21

That's true. Yeah. That's true. So, okay. Here's my question for Steele, because Okay. Mildred says he doesn't strike me as a religious man, and neither 1 of them have really expressed any sort of religious belief 1 way or another. They haven't said they're not religious. They haven't said they are. Right?

Speaker 1: 50:39

Right.

Speaker 0: 50:39

But if either 1 of them was to come from a more religious background, I would think it would be Steele who grew up in Ireland in the fifties, which religion

Speaker 1: 50:49

sort of probably strongly

Speaker 0: 50:49

is Catholic, Very strongly Catholic, yeah. So and I mean, we know he was he was shuttled from house to house to house, but Mhmm. I wonder if there was any religion in those homes or if he had to attend mass or if there was any sort of like,

Speaker 1: 51:04

know I I think, you know, even even in the mob, you know, mass is a thing you do. You go to Catholic mass. Now, you're you're there more for just the

Speaker 0: 51:15

Appearance of it, maybe.

Speaker 1: 51:17

Well, the appearance and to, you know, oh, I've I've committed these crimes. I I just wanna be absolved of them. I'm gonna go out and do them again next week, but, you know, I I I need to be absolved of the ones I've It's done in the like, no, that's not how that

Speaker 0: 51:29

Not quite how

Speaker 1: 51:30

to it work.

Speaker 0: 51:31

You have to be actually genuinely repentant and then try not to do it again.

Speaker 1: 51:35

Yeah. It's kinda yeah.

Speaker 0: 51:37

It's not supposed to work anyway, as far as I'm understanding it.

Speaker 1: 51:39

It's not a get out of jail free card. This is not Monopoly.

Speaker 0: 51:43

Yeah. But I just wonder if if he whether or not he has any belief system, neither 1 of them have ever really said. But if he did, I would imagine it would probably be Catholic, given where he grew up.

Speaker 1: 51:56

Yes.

Speaker 0: 51:57

So, either way, Mildred's not sure that he ever because she's I don't think he's been, you know, he's a church going man. So, next, we see 5 very short men heading into the office. And Steele says, they're short enough, but too old to be her sister's kids. The taller of the 5 men takes Mildred by the arm and says, devastating loss. Mildred is surprised asking and this is not a surprise that Mildred knows jockeys and that Mhmm. Like, she's a fan of horse racing because we've seen that she's into boxing, and she's she's Mildred has all kinds of of outside personal interests. So I I like this because she are you Alejandro Pascal, the jockey? And he asked if she's a horse racing fan. And Mildred says, well, not as much as the boss. He used to love the ponies. And she asked

Speaker 1: 52:47

But if that's he knows enough about them. I mean, you you don't pick that kind of stuff up just

Speaker 0: 52:51

No. By osmosis. You gotta Yeah. Pin Milley goes to the races too, I'm sure.

Speaker 1: 52:56

Yes.

Speaker 0: 52:57

But, yeah, she asked if that's where he knew or they knew him from, and Pascal says, more or less, and that his fellow jockies were wondering if mister Steele may have left and Mildred interrupts saying, let me guess. An envelope package or something. She's losing patience now because she's got this whole wake set up, and literally everybody that showed up has not

Speaker 1: 53:17

Your handout.

Speaker 0: 53:18

Yeah. And also, okay, this is, I guess, where I'm gonna put this out there. Laura tried to call her sister to let her know that they're alive. Right? Mhmm. Nobody from Laura's family shows up at this wake. And granted, like, her mother might not be able to travel that quickly, but Mhmm.

Speaker 1: 53:36

But Mildred's Frances

Speaker 0: 53:37

is in.

Speaker 1: 53:37

Frances is living there in LA area.

Speaker 0: 53:38

She's in LA. Yeah. Where's Frances?

Speaker 1: 53:42

Well, her invitation got lost in the mail.

Speaker 0: 53:44

Yeah. Right? Like, she just doesn't she doesn't show up at her own sister's wake. Ouch. Yeah. That's harsh. So, yeah, she hopefully, Pascal says yes, and Mildred's face goes hard, and she says no. She goes over to the desk and takes a drink, looking angry. So, yeah, like, Murphy, Bernice, nobody called, like

Speaker 1: 54:08

Parents didn't show up. Mom didn't

Speaker 0: 54:10

show I get why. For the purposes of the story, they don't want those complications adding it into the plot. Right. At the same time, it's like, I'm they die, it's on the news, and nobody shows up? Really? Ouch. That's harsh. Then we see a tall man in a brown suit headed for the office. Steele sarcastically says, it's heartwarming to see how loved they are. The man walks in faking crocodile tears saying, it's such a sad occasion. He then asks if Mr. Steele had an item for him. Annoyed, Mildred says, talk to the short guy. And all the jockeys turn at that stage. I like that. We then see Jarvis. I love Jarvis. I'm so glad they they wherever Jarvis shows up, I get that he's supposed to be a thorn on their side. I get that he's supposed to be, you know, a a a Mhmm. I love him. I just Yeah.

Speaker 1: 55:00

Wish I had used him more. It's a shame that this is the Yeah. The the vehicle This

Speaker 0: 55:05

the time we see him.

Speaker 1: 55:05

Which brings him back. But

Speaker 0: 55:08

Yeah. Yeah. Well, I like this episode, but fine. So, yeah, we then see Jarvis heading into the office, and Laura comments, this is finally a a friendly face in Steele Corrects Reviews. You mean a familiar face? If he sees us, we're dead. Laura gives him a look and says, you know what I mean. Laura wonders how they're gonna contact Mildred. Fair, fair question that, you know, the wake is quite, popular.

Speaker 1: 55:32

Populated. Yes.

Speaker 0: 55:33

Nobody they know. Inside, Jarvis approaches Mildred and comments that on the interesting array of people, Mildred says they're greedy too, and assumes that most of them probably knew Mr. Steele. All but none, of course. Yeah. I love it. Jarvis comments that she seems to be bearing up fairly well, and Mildred says she doesn't have much choice. She lost the only 2 shoulders she could cry on. And, like So, my only complaint about episodes like this is because the plot is so Like, because you have to keep the plot moving, characters often don't get a chance to grieve. They would the way they would normally grieve. Like, we don't see that, especially if it's a more comedic episode because there's no time for it, and it Mhmm. Kinda slows down the pace. So here, though, at least we get a couple of little bits where Mildred genuinely like, that shot at the beginning where she's walking around before people show up. This line here about how she's she doesn't have a choice. She's lost the only 2 shoulders she could cry on. That at least is true to who Mildred is, I think. So Mhmm. I appreciate that they put that in there and that Doris Roberts delivers it the way that she does because it kinda tells us, like, she's not bearing up well. She's she's doing what she has to do because that's all she can do. And she's really quite devastated. Mhmm. So and she would be. Like, this is really this would be really sad for her. Jarvis says that he realizes she might not want to get into it, but wonders if she has given any more thought as to who might have done it. Mildred says, who knows? It could have been any 1 of those low lives they put away over the years. Jarvis says, are you suggesting revenge might be the motive? And Mildred says, what else could it be? She asked Jarvis if he has any suspects. And Jarvis sort of gives her a look, says he's still waiting for a lead to pan out, but he's narrowed the list considerably. E. Just then the phone rings, and Mildred picks it up. She answers, Remington's deal, but she can't say the rest. She stops and just says, hello. Excited, Laura says, it's me, Laura. Shocked, Mildred. You sick perverted pig. Slams the phone down. I love it. I love it. Steele looks at Laura and asks, what'd you say? And Laura was slightly shocked that I'm a sick perverted pig. And Jarvis rushes over to Mildred, who looks deeply rattled, tells her that they're just crank calls. It happens all the time with celebrities. It's what brings these people out. He tells her not to let it get to her. Phone rings again, and Jarvis picks it up. He answers the phone as Detective Jarvis. Steele was not expecting this. He puts on a fake Australian accent and says, good day. Is miss Krebs there? I apologize for any Australians listening to this podcast right now. I am aware that my Australian accent is just as bad as mister Steele's. So, yeah. I am not trying to offend anybody. Jarvis asks who's calling

Speaker 1: 58:37

Well, for somebody who's trying not to do something, you're doing a remarkably well job of it.

Speaker 0: 58:42

Hey. I I I I, I work hard at everything I do.

Speaker 1: 58:45

So That's right. Yeah. I don't have to try. It just comes naturally. Yeah.

Speaker 0: 58:54

Steele says, Cowan Mortuary, and Jarvis points to the other phone indicating that Mildred should answer. She does, and Steele repeats his spiel saying that it's Cowan Mortuary and that they have misplaced Laura Holt's and he draws out the word. Mildred just looks even more, like, shocked and distressed. She wasn't supposed to be cremated. Sunsteel says, yeah. That's also what we wanted to talk to you about straight away. So, yeah. Panicked.

Speaker 1: 59:27

Oh, we got we got a plan to fix this.

Speaker 0: 59:31

Yeah. What would you do with that? Like, put the pieces back together?

Speaker 1: 59:34

Yeah. A lot of white glue.

Speaker 0: 59:39

Panicked, Laura hangs up or sorry, Mildred hangs up, grabs her purse, and races out of the office. Laura looks at Steele and Echoes, misplaced my And Steele grins and says, don't worry, Laura. Sure, it'll turn up. I love that he like, even in this moment of, like, you know, the the dire straits for for for them and and Mildred being, oh, you know, whatever. He has to find a way to just dig at her. It's it's it's where he gets his joy in life. It's well, but

Speaker 1: 1:00:13

You know, also, when you're in a a situation that is very stressful, sometimes it can just help with the stress level, with the the handling of it. Just to to, you know, joke a little bit. Even if it's even if it might be considered slightly inappropriate or extremely inappropriate by somebody else. If that's, you know, if that's your coping mechanism for dealing with something that's stressful, yeah, you know, that's what you do.

Speaker 0: 1:00:45

I just think he likes messing with her, and it really doesn't matter what the situation is. He's just like, you know what? I can do her is misplaced. Sure. Why not? We switch over to Callan Mortuary, and Mildred walks into I guess it's a church mortuary. They're they're both?

Speaker 1: 1:01:01

It's their chapel.

Speaker 0: 1:01:02

Okay.

Speaker 1: 1:01:03

Yeah. She calls mortuaries have a chapel where they they conduct the memorial service.

Speaker 0: 1:01:09

Right. Okay. She calls out a few times, and eventually, a door near the altar opens, and Steele and Laura step out. He grins and says hello to Mildred, long time OC. Mildred says nothing, and then promptly passes out from shock. They rush to her side, helping her up into a pew, and they tell her to breathe. Mildred asks if she's dead, and Laura says, no, but they're alive. And Mildred is having difficulty grasping this. So, she touches them both, and then realizing that they are real, says, oh my gosh, you're alive, and hugs them, and then asks, how? Steele mentions the movie Death Takes a Holiday. Paramount, 1934. Laura says, Mr. Steele, please. Mildred protests that she saw them both lying in the boss's apartment, dead. And Laura asks how she identified those 2 people as them, and Mildred says there wasn't much to identify. Their faces were all but gone. Okay. So Okay.

Speaker 1: 1:02:01

This is this is a problem because I don't think under those circumstances, first of all, that they would have brought Mildred in to identify I mean, how how are you going to identify them if their faces are gone? Second, even if they brought her in and she said, well, you know, that is his jacket. That is his his he's wearing his ring, blah blah blah, you know, whatever it might have been that she points to that she would use to identify it. They would still want to run fingerprints to check and make sure. Before they Yeah. They did did much of anything else because it doesn't do much good to try and investigate a murder if you don't know who the victim really is.

Speaker 0: 1:02:43

So here's my theory with this. Because I'm guessing that maybe the police had not intended to release the names. Maybe the press got ahold of it at the time and ran with the story. It's not uncommon. There are some reporters that actually listen to police scanners for big news stories, and this would be a big 1 considering they're prominent LA citizens. So if the police if they caught wind of the police reporting that there had been a a murder at Remington Steele's apartment, maybe they just ran with that story before the police had a chance to confirm it.

Speaker 1: 1:03:19

But Mildred wouldn't have I don't think Mildred would be a 100% sold that it was them based on the fact that she really couldn't identify them. Because as she said, there wasn't much left to identify.

Speaker 0: 1:03:34

I think it's 1 of those things where given 24 hours, she might have thought about it a little bit more critically, but faced with that sight of the 2 of them laying there, or what she thought was the 2 of them laying there with their faces, like, blown off.

Speaker 1: 1:03:50

Mhmm.

Speaker 0: 1:03:51

It was probably so shocking and disturbing and and just, like, deeply upsetting that she wasn't able to kind of, like, turn that part of her brain on that said, wait a minute. You know, what? This doesn't make any sense. Right?

Speaker 1: 1:04:04

I I I still think it would have been very, very questionable to Mildred, certainly the police, that this was in fact who that was. Now, there would be the presumption that it probably was because But of where they were but for for an identification, you can't make assumptions. It's is this person? Can you identify this person as being that? And what do you typically use? You use the face.

Speaker 0: 1:04:35

Yeah. No. I'm I'm not disagreeing with you on that. I'm just saying that news ran with the story, and and maybe Mildred didn't even officially identify them. Maybe it was just 1 of those things where

Speaker 1: 1:04:44

Except her her comment is well, okay. I guess that's Laura that says, how did you Yeah. Identify us identify those people as us? The implication is Yeah. That Mildred did in fact identify them as that. And so that's the, the source of all these these reportings.

Speaker 0: 1:05:04

But The wording is yeah. The wording's not great. But it could have just been the police saying, like, to her, is this, like, is this their robe? Is this their home? And Mildred's saying, yeah, that's that's his robe and that's this is his apartment, and and then not wanting to look because there's nothing there to see in terms of a face or whatever. Like, that would be really gruesome.

Speaker 1: 1:05:24

Yeah. I mean, yeah.

Speaker 0: 1:05:26

But For Mildred. But, yeah, like, it just it's what I'm wondering too is, like so they ran with the story, obviously, without confirming it. And the police Mhmm. Maybe the police aren't denying it yet because they're wanting to see whether that brings out Mhmm. If it wasn't them, if it brings out something else, and if it was them, what you know, obviously, we know Jarvis suspects Mildred, so, or yeah. We just got a comment just said, call Donald for the dental records.

Speaker 1: 1:05:53

Yeah. That would be another thing.

Speaker 0: 1:05:55

I'm I'm guessing that the police are maybe still pursuing this. Although, we find out later that they're kind of not because Mildred has to insist they run the prints, so I don't know. Mhmm. It's it's a little bit

Speaker 1: 1:06:05

There's a lot of very, very poor police work involved

Speaker 0: 1:06:09

in his case. Well, Jarvis is there, so

Speaker 1: 1:06:13

Jarvis isn't as He sloppy as

Speaker 0: 1:06:16

does kind of, like, project that image, but then turns around. Although, he does tend to also walk in with a preformed opinion and has a very difficult time being dissuaded away from said preformed

Speaker 1: 1:06:27

That's true, too. Yes, that's

Speaker 0: 1:06:28

true, too. Because he's pretty certain that Mildred had something to do with this, and he's not really listening to any other options or potential people involved. So yeah. Anyway, Mildred says that he was wearing his monogrammed robe, and Laura was wearing a negligee. And again, still can't pass up the opportunity to smirk and say, she was wearing a negligee, and you still thought it was miss Holt? And honestly, does he never want to see her in a negligee? Because this seems to me like

Speaker 1: 1:07:00

What you're gonna get?

Speaker 0: 1:07:02

Yeah. I'm sure that, you know, were they to finally have their moments. Mhmm. She's probably got some outfits. But he keeps

Speaker 1: 1:07:11

Okay. That that this is there's a visual I didn't didn't expect.

Speaker 0: 1:07:16

Sweaters? All sweaters for Eric. No.

Speaker 1: 1:07:19

That wasn't that wasn't that wasn't. No. That wasn't.

Speaker 0: 1:07:24

I just mean, she's probably got, like like, lingerie.

Speaker 1: 1:07:28

Oh, yes.

Speaker 0: 1:07:29

Yes. But he's never gonna see it if he keeps poking at her like this. That's true. Either way, it is funny. So, yeah, Laura glares at him. Mildred points out that it was his apartment, and Laura says, question is, what were they doing in his apartment? Mildred agrees and wonders what 5 guys, a guy named Pittsburgh, fill in a nun, have to do with it, which is great. Steele.

Speaker 1: 1:07:50

All that. Sounds like the setup for

Speaker 0: 1:07:51

a joke. Yeah. Because that's why he says, okay, I'll bite. What if 5 guys and a guy named Pittsburgh Phil and a nun have to do with it?

Speaker 1: 1:07:57

The only thing he missed was the walking to a bar bit.

Speaker 0: 1:08:01

Yeah. Exactly.

Speaker 1: 1:08:02

Life jockeys, a fellow named Pittsburgh Phil and a nun walking to a bar.

Speaker 0: 1:08:06

And Mildred says, no, I'm asking. Some other shady them and some other shady characters were all out their wake, and Laura admits that they saw them. And Mildred says, well, they all seem to think that you guys had something for them, an envelope or a package. Mildred says she assumed he knew them. Steele says no, but perhaps they knew the real victims, and Laura guesses that they had, that they had the envelope or package that they all wanted. Steele says, which everybody thinks they have because of where they died. Laura agrees saying that they might might not have been the intended targets all along. Steele says, yes. However, if the murderer thinks that they have what everyone's after, Laura finishes by saying they have to figure out who the real victims were and what everybody's looking for. Mildred says, Jarvis gave her the personal effects off their she cringes and says, the victims' bodies. They're at the office. Steele Laura, Mildred get up to go back there. And apparently, the wake is over because everybody's gone. They went to get back to the office.

Speaker 1: 1:08:58

Well, I mean, Mildred's left, so of course.

Speaker 0: 1:09:02

Well, not only is is is it over, but everything's cleaned up. The the because she had that big portrait of them. Right? She had

Speaker 1: 1:09:11

sex Well, that's

Speaker 0: 1:09:12

still there.

Speaker 1: 1:09:12

That's still there. But, all the party

Speaker 0: 1:09:15

Yeah.

Speaker 1: 1:09:16

You know, the the the the cups, the plates, the snacks, Yeah. The

Speaker 0: 1:09:22

Do we think

Speaker 1: 1:09:22

Jarvis maybe tidied up?

Speaker 0: 1:09:27

You think Jarvis maybe tidied up?

Speaker 1: 1:09:29

Like, spent

Speaker 0: 1:09:29

some time, you know? No.

Speaker 1: 1:09:32

They probably have a cleaning crew. We know, the plant lady probably come moonlights as a as a office cleaner.

Speaker 0: 1:09:37

Yeah. On her probation, maybe.

Speaker 1: 1:09:39

That's right.

Speaker 0: 1:09:40

But, yeah, back at the office, Mildred gets off the elevator and walks over to the door of the stairwell. She looks around, then when she's sure the coast is clear, she knocks on the door to signal that they can come out. They go into Steel's office, and Laura comments that if they don't solve the case soon, she's gonna have to have her clothes surgically removed. It's only been 1 night. Wait.

Speaker 1: 1:09:59

Yeah. But 1 night, 1 day, I mean, you figure they probably caught

Speaker 0: 1:10:10

Red eye?

Speaker 1: 1:10:11

They they they probably were up all day in New York. They caught a late Yeah.

Speaker 0: 1:10:15

That's

Speaker 1: 1:10:16

true. Afternoon or early evening flight headed back to the West Coast. They were on the plane for what is that? That's probably 6 hours from coast to coast. And then overnight so they've they've been over 24 hours in the same clothes. I mean, yeah, you'd probably start feeling like It would they're trying to grow on you. Yeah.

Speaker 0: 1:10:37

It would feel grimy for

Speaker 1: 1:10:38

sure. Yes.

Speaker 0: 1:10:39

I just don't think that they would be, like, super smelly yet. You know? Although, I guess maybe if that

Speaker 1: 1:10:46

Well, the the Theater. Theater.

Speaker 0: 1:10:50

Anyway Because,

Speaker 1: 1:10:52

you know, back then, it would've probably been filled with cigarette smoke.

Speaker 0: 1:10:55

Yeah. Well, another anyway, Mildred agrees they are getting a bit ripe. Steele says, speaking of ripe, they could use a hot meal. He asked her how much money she has. She looks and says she only has $33. Laura asked, how can you only have $3? And Mildred reminds them that tomorrow is payday. She's got is that all her money in the world is $3?

Speaker 1: 1:11:14

Apparently.

Speaker 0: 1:11:15

And not only that, but both of her credit cards are overdrawn. She just got a raise. I don't buy this at all, like, at all because we don't Mildred is a financial like, she she worked for the IRS. She is good with finances.

Speaker 1: 1:11:29

Well, just just because you're good with math, just because you're good with numbers, just because you're good at identifying fraud, financial fraud, doesn't mean you're good with money.

Speaker 0: 1:11:39

Yeah. But she she lives modestly. We've seen her house. She doesn't have, like

Speaker 1: 1:11:43

God has money to live modestly. She doesn't have she's not rich.

Speaker 0: 1:11:47

Well, no. But they they they increased her pay. She's making decent money. And and she doesn't don't

Speaker 1: 1:11:52

know what she's paying in taxes. I mean, this Los Angeles, the property taxes on her house, even though it's a small house. I mean, the property taxes on her are probably crazy. I mean and and you think about property taxes. Somebody used this illustration the other day and I I thought it was apropos. Imagine that your state or city or or whoever taxed you on money that they thought you should have earned. Well, you only made $20,000 last year, but we think you should have been able to make 40, so we're gonna tax you on that. That's what property taxes do. And so, even though it's a modest house, she she and her husband probably didn't pay a lot of money for it at the time they bought it. The value the value on paper of it's gone up through the roof because property values in LA, I mean, they're they're just like crazy. Even in the the outline cities and towns and such, the property values have are just nuts. And so she's paying probably some pretty good money on property taxes. Plus there's the commute back and forth to work. Who knows what kind of car she drives? We don't. I I don't remember if we saw ever saw that. But

Speaker 0: 1:13:01

I don't She's just I just think we've seen that Mildred is good with money, so it it strikes me as odd that she's this broke. I get that they need it for the again, for the purpose of the plot. It could she could've just said, like

Speaker 1: 1:13:13

She does know the name of the Jockeys. That's true.

Speaker 0: 1:13:16

Maybe she's playing the ponies.

Speaker 1: 1:13:18

There's where all her paychecks went. There's there's her credit card being over the limit.

Speaker 0: 1:13:23

Yeah. It might've made more sense if she had maybe $3 in cash on her and then forgot her credit cards at home or something like that. So she didn't have any cash to give them.

Speaker 1: 1:13:32

Or didn't have credit cards, didn't believe in them or something.

Speaker 0: 1:13:34

Yeah. Or yeah. That would make sense. I don't know. I just I find it odd that she's that she's overdrawn on everything, and she only has $3 to her name. Because, like, where's she getting lunch? Know? And she's

Speaker 1: 1:13:46

She's billing it to the company.

Speaker 0: 1:13:48

Apparently so. Yeah. So Steele and then Steele isn't very nice. He grabs the $3 and says, not exactly a bonanza, is it? Like, dude, she's trying to do you a favor. Shush. Yeah. You know? Like and you're the 1 that pays her. So if if hers if it's not exactly a bonanza, maybe she needs a raise, my friend. Okay?

Speaker 1: 1:14:11

Another 1?

Speaker 0: 1:14:15

Well, then he doesn't get to criticize what what little she has left.

Speaker 1: 1:14:18

Well, I mean, if if he knows he's if he knows that they're paying her really well and she's only got this, then maybe he does have grounds for criticism. Okay. Yeah. Just saying.

Speaker 0: 1:14:30

So, yeah. Mildred tells her to give her a couple hours. She'll see what she can rustle up. She stands up, and Laura says, as soon as they're finished here, they'll rendezvous at her place. She goes over to the desk, opens the drawer saying, here are the belongings. She tells him that she couldn't open them and hands them an envelope. Steele and Laura both open the envelope and take out 2 small plastic bags. They open them, and Laura examines the contents, observing there's not much here. Steele, on the other hand, has recognized something that he's holding. He clutches it, and then sadly says, Oh, poor Freddy. Laura looks at him in confusion, and Steele says that he was a friend of his and suspects the woman was his lady friend. Laura asks how in the world he could know all that. Steele hands her the ring and tells her that the word inscribed on the inside, Canon. Laura looks and finds it there. He says it means master pickpocket. Now, I looked this up. Where is it? Here. And the in the dictionary of slang, the underworld slang Canon, often spelled with 2 n's, is used to refer to a skilled pickpocket. The cannon or gun sometimes historically refers to a professional pickpocket, particularly 1 who is skilled at removing wallets from alert victims. On the cannon, the phrase means working as a pickpocket, or cannon mob refers to a group or crew of pickpockets. The original source, some sources claim it's 19 hundreds American slang term that may have evolved from the Yiddish word, which means thief. So I just thought that was interesting and wanted to look it up. So, yeah. Laura looks Sounds familiar.

Speaker 1: 1:15:54

I think we talked about that before, but I'm not sure.

Speaker 0: 1:15:57

Yeah. So she sees it there, and like I said, he says it means master pickpocket. He sighs and he says that was Freddie. As Laura hands it back, Steele says the ring meant a lot to him. Before anyone can say anything else, though, we can hear a man's voice. This is, again, 1 of the only other places where the script differs slightly because in the script, and this it's kind of a shame they didn't keep this here because I thought it was really quite funny. In the script, not only has Jarvis come in to speak to Mildred, but also there's a real estate agent in the Mhmm. The office in trying to, like, show prospective buyers, you know, because they've got 10 days or something. So she's like, and over here, you can, you know, I I just found that really funny, but obviously, they probably just decided that was too much going on at once. So, yeah. Man's voice can be heard calling for Mildred. It's Jarvis. Panicked, Mildred tries to run and cut him out, cut him off in the the outer office, but Jarvis is already making his way into Steel's office. When she turns to look around though, Steele and Laura have vanished. Jarvis tells her that he just came to tell her that the other lead he was looking into panned out. He does not sound happy about it. Mildred, not even really paying much attention to Jarvis, kind of just says, Uh-huh. Jarvis continues saying, It proves it had to be someone close to Mr. Steele and Ms. Holt, someone that would recognize them when they opened the door that fateful night. Mildred pretends to play along, she's still looking around to see where they're hiding. She walks around to Steele's desk, looks down, I'm guessing they just didn't have time to get to the bathroom, because there is a bathroom, and that would have been a better place for them to hide, but, yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 1: 1:17:27

But I mean, you you don't wanna take the time Sure. And possibly get caught, so

Speaker 0: 1:17:32

So she looks down, and she sees that Laura and Steele are kind of like hiding underneath the desk. And they're like look up and they kind of do a shush gesture to her. So, yeah, she knows that's where they are. Mildred smiles and nods. She grabs her purse and comes around to where Jarvis is while he's talking, and she kind of grabs him by the arm and tries to lead him out of the office as he continues to talk. He says, That throws it down. The motive, which she felt was revenge. He says, the criminals that mister Steele and Laura and miss Holt put away are still behind bars, so it could have been revenge. Is he forgetting about Major Descoigne's daughter? She's still at large as far as we are aware.

Speaker 1: 1:18:09

Yeah. Brad Kern forgot about it too. So

Speaker 0: 1:18:14

Well, I think he wrote that episode, though. I'm almost certain that was him. So that's why I found that 1 kind of funny. I was like, the the minor is still at large. Yeah. Mildred is continuing to push him out of the office, not really listening to what he's saying. He states that money had to be the motive. And then the question became, who would gain financially from their death? She continues to push him out the door, closing it behind him. Steele, under the desk, mutters, Pity. He was curious to learn who he thought murdered them. That's right. Laura says that they should wait until Mildred tells him the coast is clear. In the outer office, Jarvis is finally getting to his point. He tells her it had to be someone who is knowledgeable about their affairs and who stood to benefit from their corporate life insurance policy to the tune of $1,000,000 apiece. So, okay. Explain corporate life insurance to me here because like, I know that personal life insurance, you typically pick your beneficiary as somebody that is a family member of your spouse or child or whatever. Corporate life insurance, do you just do you have to pick somebody within the company? Can you also pick somebody that is a family member or like, would Mildred just automatically I from

Speaker 1: 1:19:21

don't know specifically, but I would guess if it's corporate life insurance, it would be paid to the company or to somebody within the company. 1 of the common insurances I've heard about is what is it? What is it? I can't think of the name of it. But basically, if, for example, you have business partners and 1 of them dies, you have them insured Right. To help keep to to help keep the company running and to give you the money to find somebody to replace them. Gotcha. So I would think that if it's specifically business insurance that it would be somebody within the company.

Speaker 0: 1:20:09

Which would make

Speaker 1: 1:20:10

And I'm sure there would be a lot of restrictions on what they did with that money. It's not like it's just gonna go into their personal pocket and they can just go

Speaker 0: 1:20:20

out Right.

Speaker 1: 1:20:21

You know, hire a jet airplane and go park around the world.

Speaker 0: 1:20:24

Or spend it on the jockeys, the track.

Speaker 1: 1:20:26

Yeah. But yeah. I would think it would it would be somebody in the company. Okay. So that would make a builder feel company functioning.

Speaker 0: 1:20:37

Which which but that but that would mean that, like, what you just said, they wouldn't use it for their own personal use. It's not a very strong vote, is it?

Speaker 1: 1:20:46

On paper. On paper. Because, for example, let's get it away from business and into the world of politics. Here in The United States, we have something called PACS, political action committees.

Speaker 0: 1:21:01

Okay.

Speaker 1: 1:21:02

And they're often created to help fund a campaign for a particular candidate.

Speaker 0: 1:21:09

Right.

Speaker 1: 1:21:09

Now the candidate cannot use that money. That's not for their personal use. That is for the campaign. However, the PAC can hire the candidate to the tune of 1000000 dollars to give a 10 minute dinner speech. And so, technically, it's part of the election campaign because it's a camp it's a campaign speech.

Speaker 0: 1:21:33

Mhmm.

Speaker 1: 1:21:34

10 minutes for 1000000 dollars. Yep. But yeah. Effectively, they've used the money for themselves. But on paper, it's for the campaign. And so in a business situation, I can see where somebody could do that. It's kind of the same thing where it's for business. Yeah. Really, it is. I'm going to this it's a convention. Yeah. It's in The Bahamas. Yeah. Well, it's it's a it's a really ritzy convention, you know, and it lasts a week. And and

Speaker 0: 1:22:02

So he's just basically, he's assuming that Mildred killed them to inherit the business. Or Yeah.

Speaker 1: 1:22:08

And and the assets and all the insurance money that she could then funnel through, you know, dummy companies and this, that, the other thing and just put into her pocket eventually. Because, I mean, after all, Mildred is ex IRS. She knows how to do That's true.

Speaker 0: 1:22:23

If anybody was gonna do it, it would be Mildred. She'd know how to she'd know how to find the loopholes, for sure. Either way, this is where Mildred finally clues in. She raises her hand and says, wait a minute, as Jarvis slaps the cuffs on her. Tells her that she is the beneficiary, and she's under arrest for the murders of Remington Steele and Laura Holt. She begins to protest and almost, says that they're not really dead, but stops herself as Jarvis leads her out of the office, reading a stunned poor Mildred her rights. Oh, poor Mildred. We see the bus pull up outside the porno theater again, and Steele and Laura get off the bus. Steele says he never thought he would miss Fred in the limo so much, and Laura laments that she wouldn't what she wouldn't give for a nice hot shower. Steele looks at the change in his hand and tells her that if she would give more than a dollar, she's out of luck. He says she she still doesn't understand what happened to Mildred, but she better have cash in hand when they meet her at her place. Laura asks him to tell her more about this friend of his at their meeting and asks what her connection is to Freddie. Steele smiles and gestures at someone as we see a woman walking towards him. She's blonde, she's dressed in like a mini skirt and jacket. She bumps into a man as she makes her way towards them and tells him to watch where she's going. And as he leaves, she's holding his wallet, having lifted it. She opens it, laments that nobody carries cash anymore. And what's funny about that is I don't know what I can't like, I didn't obviously have a credit card in the eighties. Mhmm. But I know that for now, like, for example, if you have a debit card that you've got activated to tap Mhmm. To pay for stuff, as long as you're not making huge payments, it could take quite a while before somebody realizes that.

Speaker 1: 1:24:11

Yep.

Speaker 0: 1:24:11

You know what I mean? Like, that you've stolen their card and that you've used it for a bunch of stuff. Unless you've got, like, me, I've got alerts set up on my phone. So it is kinda irritating whenever I use my card and then an alert turns up 2 seconds later saying, you've just used your card for this amount. But at least I know if my card was ever stolen, it would tell me right away.

Speaker 1: 1:24:28

Well, years ago, before they went with the tap thing, as their justification for going with the tap thing as being more secure, they created a situation where it was blatantly insecure and I I I it was beyond me how they could have ever thought that this would be secure. And then I realized after the fact that, oh, yeah, they did that so that they could justify going in with the the chip, which holds a lot more data than Right. Just

Speaker 0: 1:24:56

Yeah.

Speaker 1: 1:24:57

You know, basic information. It holds a lot of personal information on that. Because it used to be that whenever anytime you used a debit card at a a machine, whether it be in a a bank machine or at a store or whatever, you had to enter the PIN. Right. Had to. Wasn't it wasn't an option. And then they went to this, well, if it's under x number of dollars, $25.50, whatever it was, you didn't have to enter the PIN. Well, excuse me, how is that safe and secure? It's not. And so, yeah, this kind of nonsense has been going on for, yeah, a long Here's

Speaker 0: 1:25:31

the thing though. In the eighties, you wouldn't have had to do any of that. There was there you know, you use your credit card, the signature was the only authentication that really you had at the time. Right? So, like, they do the they do the thing, but if you didn't notice that your credit card was missing

Speaker 1: 1:25:46

Well, first of all, there were a lot of people who didn't even bother to check the signatures.

Speaker 0: 1:25:51

Yeah.

Speaker 1: 1:25:51

And secondly, 1 of the things that happened was there were these rocket scientists. Oh, we're going to help make your credit card secure so you don't get your card stolen. Because a criminal who steals your credit card could just copy your signature off the back. So what we did was we put a note on there. We didn't sign the back of the credit card. We said CID. So that when you presented the credit card, they would see that, and they would have to ask for your driver's license or something that had your signature on it. Well, first of all, is they're gonna Steele your wallet. They're gonna get all of that stuff. Yeah. Exactly. Secondly, that card wasn't valid. It was an invalid credit card. You could not legally use it because what do the cards say? What do the card agreements say? You have to sign Yeah. The card. CID is not a valid signature. So No. For for a long time when I was working retail, I I refused to take those cards until the management came along and said, we you know, we will do it. It's like I I said, look. It says right it even says right on the card. It must be signed.

Speaker 0: 1:26:58

Must be signed. Yeah. And I used to work retail as well, which is why like, that's why I was like, Candy, she says nobody carries cash, but she could've she could go on a pretty hefty shopping spree with that credit before anybody knows that it's missing in 1980 Right?

Speaker 1: 1:27:12

You know, and and the funny thing is it just it just reminded me of a story my dad used to to tell about where he went in 1 place and wrote a check for something. And he it was not a store in the area where he lived. He was out working and

Speaker 0: 1:27:26

he was

Speaker 1: 1:27:26

he was traveling. And it was some podunk place in the middle of nowhere. And he signed the check and he started to pull out his ID and the guy said, don't worry about it. And my dad said that he told the guy, you don't wanna see ID? And the guy told him quite brilliantly, if you're gonna write me a bad check, you're gonna have the ID to prove that it's a good check.

Speaker 0: 1:27:46

Yeah.

Speaker 1: 1:27:48

Yeah. So yeah. I mean, it yeah. It's so easy to to, like you say, just

Speaker 0: 1:27:54

Yeah. She could've yeah. So she's lamenting that no 1 carries cash, but the credit card would be pretty easy for her to just use it until it gets noticed and then discard it. Right? But either way Yeah.

Speaker 1: 1:28:04

As long as gender matches.

Speaker 0: 1:28:06

Yeah. It established well, it didn't in this case. She picked a a dude's pocket.

Speaker 1: 1:28:09

Right.

Speaker 0: 1:28:10

Again, it would depend, though, if the if the name is a a gender neutral name.

Speaker 1: 1:28:16

True. Or she could have Right. Traded it to somebody for for something else. Yeah. A credit card with a a woman's name that a guy picked up or, you know, hey, here's a credit card. I just got this. I can't use it, obviously, because my name isn't Fred. But,

Speaker 0: 1:28:30

you know I'll trade you this credit card Give me

Speaker 1: 1:28:32

$25.

Speaker 0: 1:28:33

Yeah. So, yeah, he he still tells Laura that Freddie and Candy are both pickpockets, which is the connection. He introduces Laura as his partner in reincarnation. Laura tells her it's nice to meet her, and Candy asks what's going on, wondering if he's pulling a scam, or if some poor sap took his bullets by accident. Steele flinches at her words, pulls out the ring, handing it to her. She takes it, her face falls as she says, Freddie. Oh, God, Jennifer too. Laura asks if she has any idea what they were doing at mister She stops herself and says, Harry's apartment in the first place. Candy nods and says that she and Freddie were working the track last week, and he saw the local loan shark and walked up and picked his pocket, picked him clean. I mean, she can't, you know, she can't believe that he would do that, obviously. Steele asks if the loan shark was a man named Pittsburgh Phil. Candy nods and says that Freddie didn't tell her what the take was, but the way he was acting, she knew it was big. She says that for some reason, he thought he needed Steele's help, but when he went over to his place, he wasn't home. So he called up Jennifer to come party with him until he got back. Candy angrily says that he shouldn't have messed with Phil. He knew better than that. And unhelpfully, and rather insensitively, Laura says, apparently he didn't. Come on, Laura. What is that what is that adding to the situation?

Speaker 1: 1:29:47

Well, but, I mean, if you look at it from her perspective at this point, she's been declared dead. She hasn't had anything to eat in probably a a close to a day. She's wearing the same clothes that she wore the day before yesterday. They're being being hounded by the police. They're getting chased by people who think they have something that they don't even know if they have or not because they don't know what it is that they're being chased. So she's understandably a bit testy.

Speaker 0: 1:30:18

Yeah. I get that.

Speaker 1: 1:30:19

Mean, it doesn't I I grant it. It doesn't help the situation, but but I mean, you can kinda understand her being a little bit,

Speaker 0: 1:30:26

She's not her best she's not her best self in this episode, I'm gonna No. Because it's not just like, this I think why it kind of irked me that she made that comment is because this is somebody that was Steele's friend. And she knows that he's upset. And so it kind of feels like she's picking on the dead a little bit, which is

Speaker 1: 1:30:47

Hey, if you can't dance on their grave, what good are they? I mean Yeah. I don't know.

Speaker 0: 1:30:53

Mean, we

Speaker 1: 1:30:54

all know we all know people who if we wouldn't do it, somebody else would, would literally dance on their grave in celebration.

Speaker 0: 1:31:03

Yeah. I'm kind of Yeah.

Speaker 1: 1:31:05

It's pretty sleazy, but, you know, there are people and we all know them.

Speaker 0: 1:31:08

Yeah. I'm the kind of person that I because let's face it. There are some truly awful people in this world. And if somebody dies, I'm not gonna post a, you know, a thing saying, yay, they're dead. Woo hoo. But I'm also not going to mourn somebody terrible or perform mourning for somebody terrible. If if if a, you know, a murderer or horrible human being dies, I'm probably just gonna say nothing. But, you know, for some reason, the news and and the media likes to either elevate somebody who's just died to sainthood or, you know, the opposite. And for me, I just kind of feel like I don't necessarily need to interject an opinion if it does if it's not somebody I knew personally, but it does bother me if I see somebody who was visibly horrible being kind of like, put up on a pedestal just because they're dead. Yeah. That irritates me.

Speaker 1: 1:32:01

So it's Laura's comment really isn't at that level.

Speaker 0: 1:32:04

No. I know.

Speaker 1: 1:32:05

I realize just that. Insensitive. It's, thoughtless. But it's her frustration at the situation coming Because I mean, let's face it. If the story Candy is giving them is the straight poop, Freddie kinda started all this. And so she's understandably irritated at Freddie at this point.

Speaker 0: 1:32:30

Well, Steele Tracks That's not she

Speaker 1: 1:32:31

can do anything about it anymore, but I mean, she's understandably irritated at Freddie. Freddie's

Speaker 0: 1:32:36

Steele, trying to smooth things over says that a trip to the track is in order. He then asks if she has any spare chains they can borrow. Meanwhile, at the No. Police station

Speaker 1: 1:32:46

I got a credit card you can use. Yeah.

Speaker 0: 1:32:47

Right? She could just get him, yeah, exactly. Meanwhile, at the police station, Mildred is on the phone in the interrogation room speaking to her housekeeper, Teresa. She asks if Senor Steele or Senora Holt is in her casa por favor. Shocked, she asks, what do you mean no? And begins to ask where the hell they are when Jarvis walks in. She amends her words, saying, she'll try somewhere else, Hangs up the phone and then starts to dial it again, but Jarvis stops her, telling her she only gets 1 call. She protests and says, that was my housekeeper. Jarvis says, well, that was a strange call to make. Most people call their lawyers. He takes her out of the room as she continues to protest. At the track, we see the horse racing in full swing, very busy place. Inside, we see Laura and Steele watching the race on TV. Annoyed, Laura says she can't believe she had to hawk her necklace to get into this place.

Speaker 1: 1:33:35

Do you have to pay to get into a track? I thought you

Speaker 0: 1:33:37

I've I I don't think so. I mean, I've never

Speaker 1: 1:33:41

didn't make sense to me, this line, because I thought that you could go and attend and watch without having to buy your way in. Where they made their money was with the all the the suckers, patrons that that placed bets.

Speaker 0: 1:33:56

I've only ever been to a track once, and that was last summer. And we didn't have to pay to get in. We brought in $10 because we thought it would might would be fun to show Kira all the names of the horses. And Mhmm. We basically said, okay, we're gonna bet with this $10, and when it's gone, it's gone. Just for just to do it once. Just to say we've done it. Right? We did, and we lost, and and then we left. But, yeah, we didn't have to pay to get in. So I guess it's just kinda showing that they're this is meant to sort of evidence that they're even more broke, or maybe some of the more, I don't know, I can't really even say upscale, because this doesn't really look particularly upscale in terms of a, like, a horse track. But maybe some of them do involve you having to pay to get in. I don't know. But either way, she says she can't believe she had to hock her necklace to get into this place, and then Steele, with a slight grin, says it was either that or hawk her body, and given their current hygienic state, the necklace was the better 1. Literally every chance he can get in this episode. Yes. Ouch. And she says if they had taken a bus instead of a cab, she wouldn't have had to make that choice. So Candy must have given them at least a substantial amount of money because otherwise, you wouldn't have been able to afford a cab.

Speaker 1: 1:35:11

Well, maybe she hawked her necklace at a pawnshop and then they took the cab to the

Speaker 0: 1:35:17

Maybe.

Speaker 1: 1:35:18

Track.

Speaker 0: 1:35:19

No. Because she says if they had taken a bus, she wouldn't have had to make the choice to hawk the necklace.

Speaker 1: 1:35:24

Right. We, we need to get to the track. Well, how are we gonna get there? Well, we'll take a cab. We don't have any money. Well, you got a necklace, don't you? Yeah. Go hawk it. We'll take the cab and then we're at the track.

Speaker 0: 1:35:36

I don't know.

Speaker 1: 1:35:37

They may have had with Mildred's $3 and maybe a couple dollars that

Speaker 0: 1:35:42

they didn't actually have that $3 left. They only had change by that point.

Speaker 1: 1:35:46

Yeah. And and I don't know how much a bus was in LA in the 19 eighties, but it may not have been all that much where they had enough change that they could have taken the bus, except he wanted to take a cab because Remington Steele doesn't travel on a bus.

Speaker 0: 1:36:02

I don't know. It just seemed the way she worded it that they did that, the transportation first, and then they ran out of money, and she had to

Speaker 1: 1:36:08

It does seem like that. Yes. I'm I'm I'm trying to I'm trying to create a scenario that works.

Speaker 0: 1:36:14

And also, that was a stupid choice. Why did she listen to him?

Speaker 1: 1:36:19

Come on.

Speaker 0: 1:36:20

Like

Speaker 1: 1:36:20

She she could have gotten on the bus and said, well, you you got a choice.

Speaker 0: 1:36:23

You can either get

Speaker 1: 1:36:24

on the bus with me or you can walk.

Speaker 0: 1:36:25

Yeah. You get there how you get there, but I'm taking the like, that's that was a dumb that was a dumb decision to take the cab over the bus.

Speaker 1: 1:36:31

Yeah.

Speaker 0: 1:36:33

Yeah. So she wonders what they're gonna do for food as she won't get anything for her earrings. Steele isn't listening to her as he spotted Pittsburgh Phil. He wonders if he was the 1 who killed Freddie and Jennifer, and what? And that was why he was and why they yeah. And why he was at their wake. I can talk. Laura says that he was looking for whatever it was Freddie lifted from him. Still wonders who they can, how they can get close enough to find out what that was. Laura crosses her arms and suggests they ask him for a loan. And then still grins, though not happily, and says, that's what I love about you, Laura. Always willing to stick my neck out. But sarcastically, she shoots back that she has nothing else worth hawking. Remember? So, yeah, he kinda walked right into that 1. So

Speaker 1: 1:37:22

But he's right. I mean, she's always she's always willing to stick his neck out.

Speaker 0: 1:37:26

Well, in the last episode, she stuck her own neck out and he called her suicidal. So

Speaker 1: 1:37:31

Well, yes. But that doesn't mean that she's not willing to put his out there too.

Speaker 0: 1:37:35

It's true. She does quite a bit.

Speaker 1: 1:37:36

She is. More than willing. When target. When when the when the spirit moves her, she will put his neck on the line. It's usually moving her.

Speaker 0: 1:37:46

Pretty much. Yeah. She watches as he walks over to Pittsburgh, Phil, and and they talk for a little bit. She doesn't know what they're saying, but whatever it is convinces Phil to go with Steele away from the crowd. She watches with a little concern as they go into the men's room, and his lackey

Speaker 1: 1:37:59

I'm sorry. Who goes into a men's room for a business meeting like this? I mean, even even a loan shark has got more class than that.

Speaker 0: 1:38:09

I'm not sure Pittsburgh Phil does. He's literally dressed himself in the most obvious way possible that says, I am a criminal. Look at my outfit.

Speaker 1: 1:38:21

I don't know. Mean, even

Speaker 0: 1:38:25

Either way, his lackeys position themselves at the entrance to the bathroom, and

Speaker 1: 1:38:29

inside Not at all bathroom suspicious.

Speaker 0: 1:38:31

No. No. Not not even slightly. Yeah. In the bathroom, we see him check the stalls to ensure they're empty, and then he walks up to a man who's combing his hair, he's like, you look beautiful. Beat it. Yeah. The man doesn't Steele, pretending to be desperate, tells Phil he needs a 100. Phil, unmoved, asks why. Steele says

Speaker 1: 1:38:50

Now can can I point out, in the bathroom, they've got all this waste paper underneath the sinks. So, obviously, this place has not been cleaned up for a while, and yet the counters are clean. There's no no puddles of water, no paper towels dropped on there, no no soap squirted on on the can. The counters look good. I mean, somebody, you know, whoever did the set dressing on this really probably should have gone to a public restroom and and looked Yeah.

Speaker 0: 1:39:19

Right? And looked at what they really look like.

Speaker 1: 1:39:22

That's right. Would have

Speaker 0: 1:39:23

been very, very also, he he asked for a 100, and and Phil asked why are loan shark sharks in the habit of asking why people need the money? Well Like, is it 1 of those, if it's for a good cause, I'll I'll I'll loan it to you, but if I don't like it, you're not do they care?

Speaker 1: 1:39:42

They probably don't care, but, you know, they especially if it's not somebody they've ever seen before. Yeah. It it may have been more about him asking why more about wanting to know who he is, how he knows to to come to spot Pittsburghville, ask

Speaker 0: 1:40:02

him Yeah.

Speaker 1: 1:40:03

Who referred him. And this is just his kind of way of trying to get into that discussion or hinting at that.

Speaker 0: 1:40:12

Fair enough. But yeah. So he says that a friend died and he needs to bury him. So Phil doesn't really care about that, but he says, how does he know that he's good for it? And Steele insists he is, saying, do you think Candy would have sent me to you if I wasn't? So that's obviously how he's claiming that he was told to find Phil. He pulls out a bill, he goes to hand it to Steele, telling him that the minute he hands this to him, Steele owes him 25 more. Steele takes it and says, now he can bury Freddie Lasenby. Do you think the Lasenby was meant to I be like know about that. Like a bond kind of like, please and be, here we go. Because like, this would have been the time when he was Mhmm. Being talked about as Bond, right? That this would have this would literally would have been because we're 2 episodes away from the end of the season, which we don't know what happened there. So

Speaker 1: 1:41:01

But also, noticed that, Pittsburgh Phil didn't tell him when the when the payment was due.

Speaker 0: 1:41:07

No. Well, I'm assuming he would have gotten to that, but then Steele made the Lasenby Freddie Lasenby comment, and that kinda distracted him because he obviously recognizes the name. But before he can do anything else, he grabs him. He Steele grabs him and shoves his head into the sink saying that, you remember Freddie, the guy that he splattered all over my living room carpet? Phil is surprised saying Freddie's dead.

Speaker 1: 1:41:30

And, know, another another question another question here. Pittsburgh Phil was at Steele's wake.

Speaker 0: 1:41:37

Yes.

Speaker 1: 1:41:38

So presumably, he knew who was or at least probably had seen his picture on the news. Why didn't he recognize him when Steele approached him?

Speaker 0: 1:41:50

I kinda wondered that too.

Speaker 1: 1:41:52

Because, I mean, here

Speaker 0: 1:41:54

I got The

Speaker 1: 1:41:54

guy's dead. He's all over the news, and you're going to his office for something that he supposedly has for you, but you can't even recognize him when you've got him in a men's room? I I mean, sorry. That sounds but exactly I mean

Speaker 0: 1:42:09

What you do in men's rooms is none of my concern.

Speaker 1: 1:42:14

Or who you do it with, I guess. But but yeah. I mean, he should've he should've

Speaker 0: 1:42:19

recognized you. I'm not disagreeing with you. I'm gonna hand wave it, but I'm not disagreeing with you.

Speaker 1: 1:42:24

Get that Mac truck over here. Yeah. Drive it right through that hole.

Speaker 0: 1:42:27

Yeah. And Steele yeah. So he says Freddie's dead. Steele says, yes. And Phil realizes then that he's Steele, and Steele says, that's right. And Phil hollers for his minions who run-in and immediately surround him and begin beating the snot out of him. Poor Steele. Like, all the head injuries, all the beatings. Sort of shove him in the sink, and Phil grabs the money back. He says he doesn't know what kind of game he and Freddie are playing, but he wants a ticket that he lifted, and he wants it back now. Phil tells his minions to take Steele someplace quiet, and if he doesn't cough up the pick 6 ticket to put a bullet between his eyes.

Speaker 1: 1:42:59

Was it really smart of Steele to attack Phil, knowing that his goons were right outside the door? No.

Speaker 0: 1:43:05

It was it was dumb as hell, but I'm guessing because he fully believed that Phil was responsible for his friend's death, he was reacting

Speaker 1: 1:43:13

Well, would be even more reason not to do it

Speaker 0: 1:43:15

No. Like Like, this It's an something emotional reaction. It wasn't a this was not a calculated, like, I'm thinking this plan through because it's a a stupid plan or a smart plan. This was a you killed my friend, and I wanna I wanna look into your face and say his name and and acknowledge that you are the 1 that did this to him. I think that was just Steele reacting emotionally without thinking the consequences through, which should have, but, you so, yeah. The 2 men grab Steele, they shove his arms behind his back, and they march him out of the bathroom. Laura sees this and follows, and they take him out back to the horse stalls. They throw him against the wall as Laura approaches. 1 of them kicks Steele, and he throws him backwards while the other throws himself on Steele, hitting him. Laura grabs a riding crop, undoes the rope, and spooks the horses, leading them to charge at Steele and the 2 men. The men run. They're being chased by the horses, and Steele dives out of the way. She grabs him and asks if he's all right. He says that he couldn't be better as they begin running. They go back inside the track, and they make their way through the crowd. Phil turns to see that they're still alive, and his henchmen arrive to tell him the same. Steele and Laura make a run for it, but they're also seen by the man in the blue suit jacket who also makes a run for it as soon as he sees Steele, Laura, and Phil, and his henchmen running towards him. So now we've got the man in the blue jacket. He's he desperately runs out of the building. He ducks under a turnstile. Steele and Laura follow him. They jump over the turnstile. Laura recognizes him in the in the man in the blue jacket. Hey, he was at the wake. Steele sees him and says, follow that mourner. Then we get Phil and the henchmen right on their heels, but as they jump over the turnstile and look around, they've lost them. So Phil is frustrated. He hits 1 of his henchmen, and they kinda storm away. And we get the man in the blue jacket who runs into a church, which is apparently is right near the track. Guess that makes Apparently. I guess that makes sense. So if you've got, like, lot of sinners, you wanna put your church where the clients are, basically.

Speaker 1: 1:45:08

Well, I suspect that the churches were there before the track was. But Probably. To me, looking at it, it just it just didn't seem

Speaker 0: 1:45:15

like It looks like a

Speaker 1: 1:45:16

completely residential a lot missing.

Speaker 0: 1:45:18

Yeah.

Speaker 1: 1:45:19

Because Yeah. Yeah, I wouldn't I wouldn't expect to see a racing track right across the street from a church No. Even even within a few blocks of it, I wouldn't expect.

Speaker 0: 1:45:30

But Yeah. So, yeah, we've got the man in the blue jacket, he runs into the church. Laura and Steele follow him. They rush inside, and they're stopped by a nun, the same nun that was at their wake, who tells them that they're in the Lord's house. Laura apologizes and begins to introduce themselves, stops, recognizing the nun. She tells her, you were at our wake yesterday. Admitting that's not a sentence that people often hear. Hey, you were at my wake yesterday. Really? So, yeah, that's that's odd. She says, so is the man who came in here. The nun recognizes their names and says, thank God you're alive. Steele says, thank you, but 2 people are dead, and if they don't get to the bottom of this, she may find herself at their funeral again.

Speaker 1: 1:46:13

It was so good the first time we're doing it all

Speaker 0: 1:46:15

over again. Yes. So nice we did it twice. Yeah. The nun sits down sadly and says, this is sister Natalie, she's described in the script, and says she knew her brother had lost his way, but he couldn't be involved in a murder.

Speaker 1: 1:46:28

I've got a question. I've got a question. I'm sorry. I I I got I've gotta ask. I know that until, I don't know, the last 20 years or so, nuns typically did wear habits. Not all the time, but but often. But this costume that she's in, this outfit that they've got her dressed the the actress dressed in

Speaker 0: 1:46:55

Yeah.

Speaker 1: 1:46:56

It just it doesn't seem like something that a nun would have worn in the 19 eighties. Maybe in the 19 forties, 19 thirties, but it doesn't seem like a 19 eighties version of a nun's habit. I I I am I wrong? I don't know.

Speaker 0: 1:47:11

I'm now looking at nun fashion in 1980. Oh, I went from porter houses to nuns. So here we are. According to this, shorter veils, simple white collars instead of large stiff yumpies, and ankle or mid calf length dresses, sometimes in blue gray or black. Many sisters wore simple street clothes such as skirts, blouses, or dresses to better blend into the community, often choosing dark colors. Traditional heavy layered habits were largely replaced by more practical lighter weight fabrics. So, yes, they had

Speaker 1: 1:47:51

The head headgear on this 1 in in particulars is just a a bit extreme to me.

Speaker 0: 1:47:58

Yeah. But I mean

Speaker 1: 1:47:59

Compared to

Speaker 0: 1:47:59

what? I don't know. I've always seen it that way in movies, so I never thought about it because the movie Sister Act, which came out in what? 1993 or something? They're all wearing the traditional habits like like, sister Natalie is here. So are you saying Hollywood lied to me? Are are you you saying Hollywood lied to me? Anyway, 1 of the comments says, father, son, holy ghost, perfect trifecta. So, yeah, I don't know. I just I didn't question it. But apparently, yes, their their their uniforms have changed a little bit. Laura asks if her brother is the man who ran in here, and she says yes. He thought he was being chased by a loan shark. Steele asks why they were at the wake. The nun, Sister Natalie, says that they were hoping to find a missing ticket. Laura, confused, asks what ticket, and Steele fills in the blanks saying the unclaimed $1,500,000 picks 6 ticket, if he's not mistaken. Laura is surprised, remembering hearing about it on the news. Steele tells her that that's what Freddie picked from Pittsburgh Phil's pocket, And Sister Natalie says Pittsburgh Phil took it from her brother who owed him money. Laura asks how her brother got it. The nun laughs and says that he went through her purse and found it there. Laura asks if the church frowns on nuns playing pick 6. She says no. She was only holding the ticket for Michael Harrigan. Annoyed, Laura comments, this ticket has seen more hands than a palm reader. I like that comment. There was a little bit more in the script about that, but they they cut it. I I like that they kept this line, though. Mhmm. The nun explains that Michael Harrigan is in the AA group that she runs at the church. He placed the bet for some friends, but when it came up a winner, he was tempted to cash it in for himself. Here's my question. What would you do? You've placed this bet. You specifically, Eric. You've placed this bet for friends, friends who shouldn't be placing the bet in the first place because technically they've rigged the outcome.

Speaker 1: 1:49:53

Well, they haven't necessarily rigged the outcome, but

Speaker 0: 1:49:56

Well, they did though. They they had planned to be they had all sort of conspired to have at least 1 of the different jockeys camp.

Speaker 1: 1:50:03

But you can't you don't necessarily have as much control over the final results of a race as you might think.

Speaker 0: 1:50:11

Don't Okay. Either way though. They've attempted to convince

Speaker 1: 1:50:13

But but yeah. I I understand what you're I I would have probably made a deal ahead of time where I get an equal split.

Speaker 0: 1:50:20

Fair. Yeah. Yeah. Same. Same. Yeah. Get your get get yours. Get get your money.

Speaker 1: 1:50:27

That's right. You know, I'm I'm placing the bet. I'm doing the work Yeah. Of of collecting it. I'm oh, and actually, no. It shouldn't be an even split. I should get more because

Speaker 0: 1:50:37

You're on the face you're on the face of it. Well You're taking the risk.

Speaker 1: 1:50:39

Yeah. With the IRS. Yeah. The IRS is gonna come collecting their portion of it out of that. And I'm gonna be taxed on that as if it was all mine, but I'm giving away, you know, a bunch of it to to other people. So I I need to calculate how much my taxes are going to be on that first, and then we split the rest 6 ways.

Speaker 0: 1:51:02

I don't know if people are taxed on lottery winnings in Canada. I'm I'm look at that.

Speaker 1: 1:51:07

This isn't a lottery. This is gambling. And you're gonna be taxed

Speaker 0: 1:51:10

on it. Yeah. Okay. So lotteries are not taxable, but you're right. It is gambling. So I'm gonna look up gambling. I for whatever reason. So we don't get taxed on our lottery winnings.

Speaker 1: 1:51:20

Well, if they're government run lotteries, no. But if it's a private lottery, I imagine you do.

Speaker 0: 1:51:26

All it says here is, lottery winnings in Canada are generally considered a windfall and are not taxable. You do not pay income tax on the lump sum amount, whether it's a small price or a multi billion dollar jackpot, because it's not considered earned income. However, any interest or investment income earned on the winnings after you receive them is tax free. I guess it can

Speaker 1: 1:51:45

get you 1 way or the other. Yeah.

Speaker 0: 1:51:47

Here are the key details regarding taxes. Tax free status. Winnings on Canadian lotteries like Lotto Max, 6 49 casinos, and charitable raffles are tax free. If you invest your winnings and earn interest dividends or capital gains, that income is taxable. If a lottery Wait. Freeze

Speaker 1: 1:52:00

What else are you gonna do? Yeah. I mean, let's say you won 1000000 dollars. You're gonna invest some of it. Yeah. Well, I'm gonna buy a property. Well, you just invested it. That that property is gonna increase in value. I bought a car. Well, that that has yeah.

Speaker 0: 1:52:14

I'm value.

Speaker 1: 1:52:15

Well, yeah. But they're they're probably gonna say, well, that's an asset now. It's you converted it from 1 form to another, so now that's an asset that you gotta

Speaker 0: 1:52:23

So then it says

Speaker 1: 1:52:24

They're gonna

Speaker 0: 1:52:24

figure it. If a lottery prize is paid out in regular installments like an annuity rather than a lump sum, the principal is usually tax free, but any interest generated by the annuity structure may be taxable. And professional gambling, here we go. If winnings are deemed to be from a business, example, professional poker player, they may be taxable. So I guess we would be taxed on gambling wins, so

Speaker 1: 1:52:43

Uh-huh. Yeah.

Speaker 0: 1:52:44

Yeah. Foreign lotteries, winnings from non Canadian lotteries may be subject to foreign taxes, so yeah.

Speaker 1: 1:52:50

Yeah. Let's anytime there's any money changing hands and the government wasn't the source of it like the the government run lottery

Speaker 0: 1:52:59

Yeah.

Speaker 1: 1:53:00

Or it's not charitable, they're gonna they're gonna take their slice. They're gonna figure out a way. They're gonna no matter how convoluted the logic Do you guys

Speaker 0: 1:53:10

have to answer a skill testing question when you win something?

Speaker 1: 1:53:13

A skill testing question?

Speaker 0: 1:53:15

Yeah. Do you have to do that?

Speaker 1: 1:53:17

I not sure I understand the question.

Speaker 0: 1:53:20

So, like, you win, like what? Like, you win a lot like a like a scratch ticket or you win just like a a small amount in the lottery, you have to, like, usually answer a math question or something. You don't have to No. Do

Speaker 1: 1:53:32

Why would you have to

Speaker 0: 1:53:33

do that? Okay. Technically, our criminal code. I wasn't sure if you did this everywhere, but and a lot to be fair, a lot of companies just don't even bother with it anymore or give you the answer ahead of time, so you don't have to worry about it. But, like, you must answer a skill testing question to comply with the Federal Criminal Code. Under Canadian law, contests that involve both chance, like a random draw, and payment, so, like, you buy, like, roll up the ram at Tim Hortons, roll up the ram and you win a coffee, are considered illegal lotteries. Their skill testing question converts a contest of pure chance into a mixed competition making it legal. To eliminate some chance to transform a game of chance into a game of yeah. So, like, well, so if it's a no purchase requirement, like, no purchase necessary, that's considered an illegal lottery. So so, like, you like, the bottle caps that used to have, like, you win a free Coke Mhmm. We would take those up to the counter, and they would give us, like, a math question, like, you know, 40 plus 10 or 40 plus 10 times 2 in brackets minus 5. And then you would have to answer it in order to get your prize.

Speaker 1: 1:54:40

But but the the the rules of our math question contest are that you don't have to give the correct answer. You merely have to give an answer.

Speaker 0: 1:54:48

Well, no. They usually give you the answer. They usually just get around it by, like or or it's written somewhere on the counter or something like that because, like, it's it's 1 of those, like, loopholes. Right?

Speaker 1: 1:54:57

So What's what was it from, Hitchhiker's Guide? The the 40 42 or

Speaker 0: 1:55:04

Yeah. 42 is the answer to life, the universe, everything. Yeah.

Speaker 1: 1:55:07

So So they they would make sure that every answer was 42. Right?

Speaker 0: 1:55:12

Yeah. Pretty yeah. It could be something like that. Right? So you have to I I thought it was everywhere you had to do that apparently.

Speaker 1: 1:55:17

No. No.

Speaker 0: 1:55:19

No. Oh, okay. Well, if you ever come to Canada and roll up the rim on your coffee cup and you have a free coffee or you win a donut, you might have to answer a math question. That's why we're so good at math.

Speaker 1: 1:55:33

So you say.

Speaker 0: 1:55:34

Yeah. Anyway, okay. Sorry. That went way off the Yeah. Okay. So she

Speaker 1: 1:55:44

That rabbit hole had a rabbit hole.

Speaker 0: 1:55:46

Yeah. It had a rabbit hole and a rabbit hole. Yeah. So she tells them that she talked Michael Harrigan into giving it to her for safekeeping. Shocked, she claims that she can't believe this somehow led to all the murders, or all the, like, this somehow all led to murder. Sorry. Steele asks her if she has any idea where they might be able to find Michael Herrigan. We changed scenes. They're at a soup kitchen. There's a sign that says meals, pickup tray and a lineup. Laura and Steele are standing in line with trays. Steele says outside. It's

Speaker 1: 1:56:15

They're outside. They haven't even gotten in, and they've already got a tray. That that's no. That's not how that works. You don't get a tray until you're in line and oh, yeah. No. I'm sorry.

Speaker 0: 1:56:28

Yeah. I I mean, I I can't say I've ever been to a soup kitchen, so I don't really know how it works, but it did seem a little odd that they were outside with trays. Yes.

Speaker 1: 1:56:37

I mean, it's it's all it's just 1 step away from bring your own tray,

Speaker 0: 1:56:41

you know? BYOT. Yeah. So, yeah, they're they're standing in line with their trays, Steele says, if the nun is right, Harrigan should be doing his penance by dishing out food. Laura, shivering, says she doesn't think she's ever been this cold and hungry in her life. And Steele, and it's kind of just a throw off line, but it's an important 1, he says he has, and he swore he never would be again. And I gotta say that I'm giving some props to Steele here for being as patient with he is, with he is, as he is with Laura in this episode because she, again, does not handle herself very well. Like, is a temporary inconvenience, so they both know it. Mhmm. They're not gonna end up on this well, you know what I mean. They're not gonna end up on the street the rest of their lives. They're they're they're gonna I've But they figure this out.

Speaker 1: 1:57:31

What they're looking at is how long is it gonna be before we get to this point where we're not on the street cold and hungry and and running for our

Speaker 0: 1:57:39

way, Laura. Like, I don't know. Either

Speaker 1: 1:57:41

way, Laura. Mean, because there's always the possibility that they they won't actually get to that, that whoever is after that ticket is gonna take them out. So, I mean, there is a possibility they may die

Speaker 0: 1:57:50

True.

Speaker 1: 1:57:51

I just and mean cold.

Speaker 0: 1:57:54

Just mean that this is if they figure this out, this is temporary, and and both of them know that. Right? They're I'm not saying their lives aren't in danger because they are, but the actual like, they're not homeless the same way Steele was homeless.

Speaker 1: 1:58:07

Mhmm.

Speaker 0: 1:58:08

Steele was legitimately, like, he had he had nowhere to go. He had no 1 to lean on. He had no friends. Like, they've got Mildred. If they really needed to, they could call Laura's sister. They could call, you know, any 1 of Steel's contacts. Like, they have people that they can get ahold of and help them. And Steele never had any of that. And and Laura, especially in this scene, just does not I don't love I don't love it because there are the everybody that is standing in that line is just as down on their luck as Steele was. Mhmm. And she's only focused on the fact that she's been hungry for 24 hours. And and I get it. It sucks. When you get hangry, you get hangry, but still could be more he he he could have criticized her here for her or reminded her, gently reminded her that, hey, these people have nothing. Be cool. Instead, he just simply says that he has been this hungry, and he swore he never would be again. And he's at least, like yeah. I don't know. I I don't know if I necessarily wanted him to criticize her or say, like, hey, what you know, this isn't it just feels like, of the 2 of them, he's the 1 that's got the perspective on the situation, and she's the 1 losing her her mind.

Speaker 1: 1:59:29

Well, and it could also just be that he is not really even thinking about the bigger picture. He's just he's just looking at their situation and comparing it to his past experience. And he's not really giving any thought to the fact that the other people in line may have been hungry longer than they have been. So

Speaker 0: 1:59:49

Well, I think she's not giving any thought to that fact. I think Steele understands.

Speaker 1: 1:59:52

Right. But I think, yeah, I think it could be both of them doing the same thing, just in different ways and having different responses to it.

Speaker 0: 1:59:59

Yeah. They both look rough here, but still kinda out of place given Steele's suit.

Speaker 1: 2:00:05

Yeah. Well, I mean

Speaker 0: 2:00:06

Yeah.

Speaker 1: 2:00:09

A bum in a suit is is still wearing

Speaker 0: 2:00:11

a I'm saying yeah. I'm just saying like, it's an obviously, it's an expensive suit because he doesn't walk around in just anything. So, you know, it it's kind of funny given the people If you're gonna

Speaker 1: 2:00:21

be a bum, be classy about it.

Speaker 0: 2:00:23

That's true. Yeah. Laura asks how much money they have left, and Steele tells her 2 or $3. He tells Laura after they eat and talk to Harrigan, they'll get in touch with Mildred and see what she has for them. Laura reminds him, food first, and then the questions. The line moves up a bit, and the homeless and this is this is this is what I mean. A homeless man cuts in front of Laura, and furious, she says, no cuts, you bum. And she just, like, tosses him away, and that's crappy. Like, I get, you know, with someone shoving in line, but, like, she treats him as as a joke. Like, it's treated as a joke. The bum tried to cut in when this is somebody who is obviously genuinely on the streets Mhmm. In a way that Laura has never been and and probably never will be. And she just, like, treats him like he's not a human, like a sub she just get out of here, you like, she calls him a bum. Like, that's crappy. That's a crappy way to behave, especially when she's eventually going to get her life back or or die. 1 or the other, like, are the the 2 options. Yeah. Whereas this guy, who knows how long he's been out there or will be out there? Like, it's just, ugh. I don't like it.

Speaker 1: 2:01:35

Well, I mean, when you're playing the part of a homeless person, but you're not really homeless, generally speaking, yeah, you you tend to overact.

Speaker 0: 2:01:45

Yeah. I think it's 1 of those things where people who have and I'm not saying everybody. Right? But those people who have a lot of creature comforts

Speaker 1: 2:01:55

Mhmm.

Speaker 0: 2:01:56

Typically don't react well when they're taken away. Versus people who have maybe grown up with little to nothing Mhmm. Are a little bit more adaptable if their circumstances change because they've been there.

Speaker 1: 2:02:14

Yeah.

Speaker 0: 2:02:15

And this is kind

Speaker 1: 2:02:16

of People who who have a comfortable lifestyle tend to be a little bit, intolerant of other people that don't have that lifestyle. Yeah. And when they're put into that situation, they become even more intolerant. So yeah.

Speaker 0: 2:02:29

Yeah. And I think this is what we're seeing. Because Steele, he knows he knows what's what. He's been there before. He obviously doesn't like the situation any more than Laura does, but his focus is more on, let's talk to Harrigan, let's figure this out, let's get back to and you would think it would be the other way around, given how Steele always likes to be in flashy suits and and live the high life and spend all the money, but

Speaker 1: 2:02:50

he's The difference though is that Steele has been here before, and he knows he knows how to work things

Speaker 0: 2:02:57

Exactly.

Speaker 1: 2:02:58

To survive, whereas Laura hasn't been. And so she's Yeah. She's in a bit of a panic.

Speaker 0: 2:03:04

She's crashing out. What do you ever said she's crashing out? Like, she's she's hangry. She's tired. She's you're right. She's panicking. Yeah. I'm not saying that's an excuse, but that's that's definitely what's going on. So he tells her to take it easy, saying there's enough gruel for everyone. Laura asks if he's certain Pittsburgh Phil seemed surprised to see him alive, and Steele tells her that if he he was so surprised that if he ever sees him alive again, he'll kill him. Laura says they just have to trace the path of the ticket backwards until they find out who does have it. They approach the door, and Steele says that that leads them right back to Michael Harrigan. Morris is more importantly, food. This is kind of turning the tables, if you recall, you know, back to, like, still trying where he spends the entire episode trying to find something to eat. This is this is the the shoes on the other foot here. A large man in an apron intercepts them at the door and announces out of grub. Laura asks, what do you mean? And he asks if they're deaf and tells them, get here earlier next time. And furious, she says, do you realize how long we've been standing in this line? Do you think we're doing it for fun? And again, Steele, like, he knows how this works. Knows that sometimes they run out of food. And, you know, he's trying to kind of mitigate the situation. So he, he just bypasses Laura and talks directly to the man asking if he knows where they can find Michael Harrigan. He says he didn't show up that night. And Laura, she's still, like I said, crashing out. She calls him an oversized stone hearted ape. And and, like, all those people standing in line, not 1 person is screaming at this guy because they're so demoralized probably from their constant day to day struggle to feed themselves, find somewhere to sleep, etcetera.

Speaker 1: 2:04:48

Well, and they also know that Yeah. Even if they got their what they thought was earlier. Yeah. Then You run out.

Speaker 0: 2:04:54

They get

Speaker 1: 2:04:54

them necessary. They they know that there's a limit to how much food

Speaker 0: 2:04:58

Well, yeah.

Speaker 1: 2:04:58

Is available and they they've they've probably experienced this thing before.

Speaker 0: 2:05:03

Oh, yeah. These places largely run on donations. So if there's not a lot of donations that week, that might limit how much food they have. So it just again, it doesn't look good for Laura because she's the only person in that line that has never experienced this before, and she's the 1 screaming at you know, she's the Mhmm. Like that customer in the restaurant that throws a hissy fit over something trivial. Right? Mhmm. Yeah. It just yeah. So Laura Do

Speaker 1: 2:05:29

you know who I am?

Speaker 0: 2:05:30

Yeah. And again, Steele's trying to just ignore that and and get the information they need. So he says, do you know where we can find him? And Laura, we aren't leaving here unless we get a meal. The man ignores Laura and tells Steele he's probably getting smashed at the track club. And then she keeps going, I don't mean a scrawny piece of bread. I mean a full course, well balanced, get stuffed, and then she can't finish because he goes back inside, shuts the door at her face. Furious, she throws her tray at the door. Still asks if she feels better, she doesn't. So she grabs his tray and throws it too before strumming away. So, I mean, that part is kind of funny. The rest of it is not, in my mind, really all that funny because it kinda highlights the stark difference between the 2 of them. But he kinda grins at the others in line, and then follows and then follows him. Yeah. So the nun's brother is standing there watching him go. And then we switch over. We've got the man in the blue jacket. He's now standing outside a shelter that advertises it's described in the script as a flop house, but I always thought flop houses were like drug dens. So I I guess I'm not very up on my underground slang because I this looks like just what I assume a shelter would look like.

Speaker 1: 2:06:43

Yeah. I there there's probably a lot of drug and alcohol abuse at a flophouse, but it's not necessarily the primary purpose of their business.

Speaker 0: 2:06:57

Yeah. I googled it. Extremely cheap rundown hotel rooming house or a transient accommodation. Okay. I just that was in my head. I was thinking of the wrong thing. But either way, they're at this flophouse slash shelter that advertises cots for $2 a night. And you wanna talk bedbugs?

Speaker 1: 2:07:11

Yo. Yeah.

Speaker 0: 2:07:13

And also, they could go to Mildred's. They were supposed to go to Mildred's. Why didn't they go to Mildred's?

Speaker 1: 2:07:20

Yeah. They haven't heard from her.

Speaker 0: 2:07:23

No. But they've got they can pick the lock.

Speaker 1: 2:07:25

Yeah. That's true. They could.

Speaker 0: 2:07:26

Yeah. They could pick the lock. Right? Like, they

Speaker 1: 2:07:29

were literally They supposed to may still be wanting to give it a little more time before they I don't know.

Speaker 0: 2:07:35

I know. Seems to they were supposed to be notary that evening. She didn't respond, so I would just go to her house and then pick the lock because she's not there and wait for her. Like, this seems like this seems like deliberately making things difficult for yourself. Kinda like taking a cab over taking a bus, but hey. So, We see this room full of homeless people and Laura and Steele are packed together on a cot, which is not pleasant looking. No. Oh, they did go to her home. Sorry. He says it's unconscionable that Mildred wasn't at home. Why not just pick the lock and stay there? Well, They were there.

Speaker 1: 2:08:09

I mean, they they don't actually say that they went there. They could have phoned, but yeah.

Speaker 0: 2:08:14

But, yeah, he wonders where she is, and Laura's still thinking about food, so she's probably out to dinner. Still suggests if they ever find that ticket, they cash it in and stay dead in The Bahamas for the rest of their lives. Just the 2 of them. Yeah. That sounds nice. Laura asked him if that's his foot on her leg. Steele says, no. That is 1 of the times where you really, really, really want it to be his foot on your leg.

Speaker 1: 2:08:41

Oh, yes.

Speaker 0: 2:08:42

Because it's otherwise, it's a rat, or a mouse, or some really big bug.

Speaker 1: 2:08:46

It's a rat.

Speaker 0: 2:08:47

It's a rat. So she jumps up and slaps her leg, having felt something crawling on her. She says, that's it. She's done. She's going to go to the police, tell them that she's alive, then go home and eat something, then take a hot shower, climb into her bed in her loft, and sleep for a week. And I think this is where Steele gives her the reality check that I kind of wanted to give her a little bit earlier because he says to her, and he's not mean about it. Again, this is very, like, gentle in what he does. He's like, that's exactly what you should do. Right? He this isn't her problem. And he says that to her. Like, you should go home, but I owe it to Freddie to find out who killed him, and I can't do that if they know I'm alive. It's my problem, not yours. It's unfair to ask you to stay. He tells her to go home and he means it. I don't think that he's doing this as, like, a trick. I think he's genuinely kind of giving her that out, seeing that she's not really cut out for what they're going through right now.

Speaker 1: 2:09:46

But but realistically, though, he knows that as soon as that happens, his mission is severely compromised. Because

Speaker 0: 2:09:55

Yes.

Speaker 1: 2:09:55

Yeah. They know that if Laura's alive and it wasn't her on the floor, then it probably wasn't Steele on the floor.

Speaker 0: 2:10:02

True. But I also think that he's willing to take that risk because I mean, this is part of that whole Yeah,

Speaker 1: 2:10:09

it does does seem that way.

Speaker 0: 2:10:10

You know what I mean? Because like, all throughout their relationship, 1 of the things that Laura has always brought up is that she doesn't want to constantly turn around and have his past come back either to hurt her agency or hurt her or him. And it looks like that's what's happened here. And this is like what he did with Major Deskcoin as well when he thought it was somebody from his past. He he left because he wanted her not to be targeted. Right? He didn't want her to have to deal with the fallout from his, you know, his enemies, what have you. So here, I do think he's saying, like, even though it could make his his mission a bit more difficult, you should go, and you should should not worry about this. This is my my situation. I'm going to deal with it. Because again, I think that's also how he's always thought. Like, he doesn't assume anybody will stay with him. He doesn't assume that that's the life he's always lived. Like, you take care of you. Sometimes your allies are gonna be your allies, but not always. Sometimes they're gonna go their own way and you just

Speaker 1: 2:11:11

Everybody's looking out for number 1 Yeah. And you're always number 2 in somebody else's eyes. So when it comes to push, to shove, if it's me or you, you're the 1 that's gonna take the fall, not me.

Speaker 0: 2:11:24

Yeah. He, he's never really had somebody who's got his back, like, that's ride or die 24 7 Mhmm. Sort of thing. So he's giving her that out. He's like, you don't have to stay. You go ahead. Right? She agrees. She starts to leave, but she was never really gonna leave. She turns back. She looks at him on the cot, and she realizes, yeah, she's not walking away. She goes back. She sits down on the side of the cot. He looks up at her in surprise, and she kind of tells him to stop hogging the bed. Mhmm. And I love this because that smile that he gives her is that's exactly what it is. It's her saying, like, you're not alone. It's not just you against the world. I do have your back. I had a moment. You know, she had a moment. But at the end of the day, she's not gonna leave him there to deal with that problem by himself. Of course, she's not. And then that's his realization that somebody does have his back. There is somebody who's gonna be there for him when he needs someone to help him. Mhmm. Even if it is a problem he created. And in this case, it really isn't. Somebody came and stayed in his apartment and got killed while they were away and out of town. That's not, you know, that's not his fault. But, yeah, this is really sweet. Stop hugging the bed. I don't know why you'd wanna be on that bed, but hey.

Speaker 1: 2:12:37

Hey, you know, regardless of the reality of the situation in comparison to somebody else's problem, if you feel like you've hit rock bottom, you'll take anything.

Speaker 0: 2:12:50

True. True. And and again, like, that's he's not that's not something that he's he's been there. He's he's done it before. He can do it again. He doesn't wanna do it again, but he can. Whereas Laura hasn't had to deal with that. So she she lays down with him. They kinda curl up together, which is very sweet. But it's short lived because it appears that the as the nuns still says that the nuns brother has sold a soul to the devil because we see Pittsburgh Phil come in with the man in the blue jacket. And they hide under the covers as he starts to check the cots. When he gets to their cot, he pulls the covers back, Steele hits him, getting the element of surprise. They jump up and they shove something into his arms. I think I'm

Speaker 1: 2:13:33

not sure what they shove a in his suitcase. Oh, I don't know who had a suitcase, but somebody there had a suitcase and Laura's Laura snags it and

Speaker 0: 2:13:41

I would think that if you had any personal possessions, you would have them, like, to your person because somebody else would take them. Like, if you were

Speaker 1: 2:13:49

You would take

Speaker 0: 2:13:50

You know what I mean? Because when I stayed when I went to Scotland the first time, I stayed in youth hostels. And 1 of the things that I was told ahead of time was, like, padlock your suitcase so that, like, you can't open it, but also, like, lock it to something, like the bed or whatever. So they can't just take the whole suitcase. That's what I did. So but, yeah. So they shove a suitcase into his arms, and they run by him. Phil, Blue Jacket, the minions scramble after them. And then, we see the next scene, they're underneath a bridge. They are sleeping in a pipe with a cardboard box over top of them for a blanket. Mhmm. And a truck horn sounds, and Laura just, like, hits the roof. This is funny. How she just, like yeah. And she's, like, flipping out Steele. It it scares the ever loving bejesus out of Steele who what's wrong? What's wrong? She she says, it's okay. It's just a horrible nightmare. She dreams someone was chasing them, and they had nowhere to go, so they had to spend the night under a freeway. She says the last part. She looks around and realizes that's exactly what happened. And still, still tired, he's kind of, like, leaning against her, and he puts his head on her shoulder, and he says, well, they can go back to sleep, and perhaps they'll wake up in their own bedrooms. And Laura says there's only 1 way they're gonna wake up in their bedrooms, and that's by getting to the bottom of this pick 6 ticket once and for all. Still half asleep. Steele tells Laura that her good friend in the food line that Harrigan is a regular at the track club. He suggests going back to sleep and heading there later, but Laura has already gotten up. Poor guy. He protests and follows her. At the police station, Mildred is in the interrogation room again with Jarvis and a woman with the stenotype or the steno Mhmm. Typewriter thingy. Typewriter thingy.

Speaker 1: 2:15:43

Yes.

Speaker 0: 2:15:44

She says that she wants to confess everything, and she can't handle another night in that cell. Oh, Mildred, if you think that's uncomfortable, you should try the cot that's stealing Laura, which is but, yeah. Yeah. Jarvis asked the woman with the typewriter, Sally, if she's ready, and she nods, and Mildred says, here it goes. She tells Jarvis that she knows that he won't believe it, but Mr. Steele and Laura aren't dead. Jarvis doesn't believe it. He says, they're not? Mildred doesn't catch the sarcasm, so she continues saying it was a pickpocket and his girlfriend who were murdered, not them. Jarvis still not believing her. Mildred continues saying, she didn't know they were still alive until they lured her down to the mortuary. She says it was Mr. Steele who called her on the phone in my office, and Jarvis, confused, mister Steele misplaced Laura Holzern? She's, No. Mister Steele thinks that none of the loan shark and the 5 jockeys and all those other guys are somehow connected to the pickpocket. Jarvis looks at her like she's insane.

Speaker 1: 2:16:41

Insane,

Speaker 0: 2:16:42

yes. And then then he says, it won't work. She's Well, it won't work. Pleading insanity. She looks shocked by the insinuation and Jarvis says he's officially booking her on 2 counts of first degree murder. Can you do that when you don't even have confirmation that the people that are dead are the people that are dead?

Speaker 1: 2:17:03

Can I do mean, it's it's hazardous, I would think, because if the evidence comes out that you were wrong in the first place

Speaker 0: 2:17:11

Which it does?

Speaker 1: 2:17:13

Then you either have to admit you were wrong and suffer the potential consequences legally and financially and otherwise

Speaker 0: 2:17:23

Yeah.

Speaker 1: 2:17:24

Or you have to do a lot of work to create false evidence to support your case. So

Speaker 0: 2:17:33

Yeah.

Speaker 1: 2:17:34

It's it's kinda risky, but

Speaker 0: 2:17:37

And I I'm looking for it in the script because there's also a line in this scene where Mildred says, you can't hold me. It's illegal. And Jarvis says something like, that doesn't matter, or he kinda, like, dismisses it.

Speaker 1: 2:17:50

Ontario witness, they can hold them for a certain period of time without charge.

Speaker 0: 2:17:55

That scene. Anyway, I'll find it in a second. Anyway, she yeah, she says, you can't hold me, and he says, well, I'm going to. Basically, says that the law doesn't apply kind of thing.

Speaker 1: 2:18:07

Well, again, they they can they can, hold you as a material witness.

Speaker 0: 2:18:11

Yeah, for 48 hours.

Speaker 1: 2:18:12

Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 0: 2:18:13

Poor Mildred. Poor Mildred.

Speaker 1: 2:18:16

They can charge you with, treason or sedition or whatever and then the rules are different. They're on our rules then. So

Speaker 0: 2:18:27

Yeah. So we switch back over to the track, and we see that Harrigan is supposedly passed out at a table. Lawrence How did he

Speaker 1: 2:18:35

know to play drunk?

Speaker 0: 2:18:36

I wondered that too, but maybe he saw them coming and then why he would have a vodka bottle with water in it, I don't know, but hey.

Speaker 1: 2:18:44

Yeah. It it was it's too planned for something that was supposed to be spontaneous.

Speaker 0: 2:18:49

Yeah. It would have made more sense if it was like something that looked like alcohol, like an actual drink. Like, he had a glass with what could be like a rum and Coke or something, and it was just But either way, Laura and Steele, they sit down. They try to wake him with Steele commenting that it appears their deaths were too much for him to handle. Sits up and mumbles, what are you doing here? And Laura tells them that they want to get to the bottom of this pick 6 ticket, starting with who he placed the bet for. Apparently drunk, Harrigan, wow, regretfully pours himself another drink saying they trusted him. Everyone used to trust him. He was a big shot around here. They looked up to me and they trusted me. Right? So Steele tells him to forget the sob story and asks again who he placed the bet for. Harrigan, apparently still lost in his own world, says he should have done what they asked him to. He never should have given it to that sister. He says they were all his buddies and they trusted him before laying back down on the table and supposedly passing out. Annoyed, Steele says, Well, we're not going get much more out of him, so they Steele points out a man who lost everything, and Laura says that he's hardly capable of killing anyone. Steele says that leaves them with the 5 jockeys in mourning. So Laura thinks for a moment and then wonders what the odds are that those 5 jockeys alternated riding the winning horses on all 6 picks. So I guess you'd have 5 and then maybe 1 that won twice, or yeah. Steele thinks about it and says probably about the same odds are that they're guilty of murder. So at the track, we see a jockey getting ready, and he's it's weird. He's wearing a different color. The all the other 4 are wearing yellow, he's wearing blue, and I'm not sure why that is.

Speaker 1: 2:20:25

Well But 2 of them are 2 of them are wearing the same color but their, the the decoration on their Yeah. Shirts are different. 2 of them are wearing the same shirt, basically Yeah. With polka dots on it.

Speaker 0: 2:20:40

Yeah. I'm wondering if that's just like all the outfits they had in the costuming, so they're like, whatever.

Speaker 1: 2:20:46

Yeah. Nobody nobody's gonna care.

Speaker 0: 2:20:49

Who's gonna who's gonna notice?

Speaker 1: 2:20:50

That's right.

Speaker 0: 2:20:51

But, yeah, Laura and Steele approach the jockey, and he says hello, commenting that he thinks he's seen them somewhere before. And Laura says, maybe at the wake yesterday? It dawns on him, and he says, hey, that's right. You 2 were he trails off realizing they're not dead. He grabs the jockey, lifts him up, shoving him against the wall, and he tells him that his name is Steele, Remington Steele, and that they know that they fixed the race and got Harrigan to place the bet for him. Only Harrigan gave up the winning ticket. Laura adds that it ultimately forced him and his cohorts to murder 2 people to get the ticket back. Jockey is shocked saying, murder? No way. And just then, the other 4 jockeys see what's happening. And they rush Steele. This is probably 1 of the funniest fight scenes. The raining bunches. It looks like he's being attacked. Too. Powered Yeah. By children or something like that. Somebody in the comments says that he's in blue because that way, we know who has the speaking part. It's true. Yeah. So they're, like, raining punches down on him, and finally, Laura intervenes and helps him out. The jockey in blue whistles and tells the others to back up. And I think that's Alejandro Pascal. That's the name of the guy. They stand up, and he says he doesn't know what, why they're pretending to be dead or who they say has been murdered, but they didn't kill anybody. Laura demands to know what they were doing at the wake, and he says the same thing as everyone else, looking for the ticket. Word on the street was that the pickpocket went to Mr. Steele to cash the ticket. He says when they found out that they were dead, they figured the pickpocket friend would come to pay his last respects. Steele asks if he's saying that they don't have the ticket, and the jockey points out it wouldn't do them any good if they did. They couldn't cash it in, not with all the publicity the track gives its pick 6 winners. He says that's why they went to Harrogate in the first place. That makes sense. Mhmm. Yeah. So Steele takes Laura aside and asks if she realizes what this means, and, yeah, we were murdered for no good reason. Or she, sorry, asked him that. I like that. Laura says that they made contact with everyone remotely connected with the ticket. Nobody seems to have it. Steele nods and says, unless someone actually does have it, what better way not to be considered a suspect than to pretend not to have the ticket? Laura says, well, with all the anticipated publicity, the ticket holder would have to find some clever way of cashing it in without letting everybody know about it. Steele agrees, but the question remains, who's got the bloody ticket? Laura says, or better yet, who's no longer looking for it? 2 of them pause, both realize what she's just said, and leave. They come back into the track club, and Harrigan's gone. She says nobody that drunk could have crawled away that fast. Steele suggests he probably wasn't that drunk to begin with and takes a swing from the vodka bottle.

Speaker 1: 2:23:24

I I I would really be reluctant to to take a swig from a bottle that I don't know know anything about. Same. Same. I smell it. I mean

Speaker 0: 2:23:35

Yeah. You they they

Speaker 1: 2:23:37

people say that you can't smell

Speaker 0: 2:23:39

You

Speaker 1: 2:23:39

can smell vodka. Drinking vodka. But, yeah, you can. I mean

Speaker 0: 2:23:43

You definitely can. It has like a, a less it's it's less noticeable than, say, rum or some other liquors, but it definitely has And

Speaker 1: 2:23:51

when you mix it in with other drinks, it may not be a noticeable smell. But if you if you've got the bottle and you stick your nose up to it and take a whiff Yeah. I think you're gonna smell it.

Speaker 0: 2:24:01

Yeah. Wouldn't have drank from the bottle either. No. No. No. No. So, yeah, behind him though, Pittsburgh Phil and his henchmen are approaching. They grab Laura, and Phil says he's been looking all over for him. He demands to know where the ticket is. Steele tries to tell him he doesn't have it when Jarvis shows up, gun drawn, with 2 officers behind them telling them to freeze. Tells Phil to drop the gun. Steele looks over, grins, and says he never thought he'd be happy to see Jarvis. He thanks him, the officers arrest Phil and the henchmen as Steele and Laura go over to Jarvis. Meldred comes running in as well. He tells them they can thank Mildred, not him. To prove they were still alive, she had him expedite the fingerprinting of the murder victims. So it's obvious they were doing the fingerprinting, but just Mhmm. Hadn't finished it. Which, again, I don't know how you can arrest somebody for murder when you don't even have a confirmed ID on the on the victims.

Speaker 1: 2:24:49

Yeah. It's definitely a case of jumping the gun. Yeah. So to speak.

Speaker 0: 2:24:56

No. Yeah. Exactly. Mildred looks at them and says they look terrible. Angrily, Laura says, it's great to see her too, asks where she's being poor Mildred. She's just like

Speaker 1: 2:25:07

Excuse me for saying anything.

Speaker 0: 2:25:09

Right? And she never gets a chance to explain it because she spots someone behind them asking, hey, wasn't he at the wake? They turn around and they see Harrigan walking around looking completely sober, and he's with somebody else. They're carrying a briefcase. Laura and Steele give chase, and when he sees him coming, he grabs ahold of the briefcase he's carrying and runs. The man he grabbed the briefcase from yells for someone to stop him he's getting away with $1,500,000. No. No.

Speaker 1: 2:25:35

No. That's not how that would be done. They would give him a check or a cashier's check. They would do a a wire transfer, some sort of they wouldn't hand you a cash in in a briefcase. I'm sorry.

Speaker 0: 2:25:48

No. Not happening. But we need this to be a visual. We need to see it. For for the purposes of the, like, the narrative, it needs to be visually identified as he's got the money.

Speaker 1: 2:25:59

Can't do it based on reality, then why are we doing it?

Speaker 0: 2:26:04

Well, because reality, it's it's harder to, like, visualize that. It's harder to have it, like yeah, you could have him just say he's getting away with the money, but unless we see that briefcase I don't know. This to me just seems like a

Speaker 1: 2:26:14

I know.

Speaker 0: 2:26:15

Weird place. I'm

Speaker 1: 2:26:17

just 1 of those

Speaker 0: 2:26:18

Plus who doesn't love a briefcase full of money? That's a good trope. So Laura and Steele continue to chase him, and we see him go up up the sorry, go down the escalator and out the door with Steele and Laura following, but hindered by the crowd. They race towards the stables where they find Harrigan on the ground, dead from a gunshot wound. Laura is surprised that he's dead. She says the money's gone, and Steele's like, how can that be? He's the bad guy. We've already decided that.

Speaker 1: 2:26:43

Haven't we done this before where the bad guy gets

Speaker 0: 2:26:45

But it's always funny, especially when Steele sort of gets personally offended. Know? Like, we've decided he's the bad guy, and now he's gone ahead and died on us. How rude.

Speaker 1: 2:26:56

Butlers don't get killed. They're the killers.

Speaker 0: 2:26:58

Exactly. So Laura says he's apparently not the only 1. They get up and head back towards the track. Inside the track, we see Steele and Laura enter. They look around. Eventually, they notice a nun. She's riding the escalator with a briefcase. Laura points and yells, and she's probably always wanted to, stop that nun. It's kinda like, stop that carrot, but Yes. But in this case, stop that nun. She runs, and they chase her up the escalator, but they kinda have to go up the down, which is a fun thing to watch.

Speaker 1: 2:27:28

Up the down, in the out.

Speaker 0: 2:27:29

Yes. He gets to the top, and he tackles her. He pulls the habit off of her, and he's shocked to see Candy. Now, here's something that I only realized for the first time when I was making notes. Every other time I've watched this episode Mhmm. Because the actress who plays Sister Natalie and the actress who plays Candy looks so much alike. Mhmm. I just assumed that Sister Natalie was always Candy, that there never was a Sister Natalie, and that she had been tricking Steele the whole time. But no, they are 2 different actresses.

Speaker 1: 2:28:00

Yes. I I I will admit to having entertained a similar

Speaker 0: 2:28:10

misunderstanding

Speaker 1: 2:28:12

of of the fact.

Speaker 0: 2:28:13

I just for for years, every time I've watched this episode, that was my assumption. Mhmm. And it's not until I was, like, looking a little bit more closely, then now I'm looking up the actresses who played right?

Speaker 1: 2:28:25

2 different actresses.

Speaker 0: 2:28:26

Yeah. Mary Kate McGeehan plays Sister Natalie, and Nancy Lane plays Candy. So I was it was like a light bulb. Oh, it was a different per okay. That makes more sense because I always every time I'd watched it before, I always wondered if I still didn't recognize her in the habit.

Speaker 1: 2:28:42

Yeah. Had to revise my notes.

Speaker 0: 2:28:44

So it's not just me. I am relieved. I'm wondering how many other Steele Watchers had that they should have cast actresses that looked well, I guess they had to cast actresses that looked visually similar, because that's the only way she's gonna get away with being dressed like a nun, but still, it was very confusing. This was like a Scooby Doo reveal when he pulls off the habit, because they're like, you know? So, yeah. So she it's candy. She pulls a gun, and Laura kicks it away saying that she's killed enough friends for 1 week. Mildred is surprised saying she wasn't at the wake. How come she ended up with the loot? The, official, that's who's there, tells him to check her. She probably has the ticket. So disgusted and disappointed. Woah.

Speaker 1: 2:29:27

Woah. So they they they they would have collected the ticket before they gave him the money. Even if they were gonna give it to him in cash, they would have collected the ticket beforehand.

Speaker 0: 2:29:40

We're just gonna we're just gonna wave. We're gonna do the wave. Ready? Do the wave.

Speaker 1: 2:29:45

Do the wave.

Speaker 0: 2:29:46

Do the wave. This still searches her. He finds a ticket. The official says that Harrigan told him a nun had won the pick 6 and convinced him that if it got out, the church would suffer. So they got the money together, and he was going to follow them to the nun so that they could quietly exchange it for the ticket. So I guess this is implying that they just hadn't well, no, I guess she had them. You're right. It doesn't matter. Wave. Wave. Wave. Wave. Steele, I like this moment here because he looks at her, and he says, Freddie was your friend. You knew that. And before she can answer, he just says, don't say anything. Get out of here. And like just the look on his face, the utter and absolute disgust on his face because even though he's never truly had someone that he could rely on. I think there's always been sort of a code. Right? Yeah. You could sometimes you betray 1 another, but this is going beyond that. She she killed 1 of their own. Right? And he's just completely yeah. Like, it's just just like that look on his face. I it's just really well done by Brosnan, and it's a moment that didn't necessarily need to be there, but it it kind of gives a bit of weight to this episode that's otherwise kind of zany and silly. So, yeah, he tells him to take her away, and Laura says, look on the bright side. We're alive again. He puts his arm around her, and he says, that's true. So we get the tag scene. They're at his apartment, and we've got all the bells and whistles here. We've got the roaring fireplace. We've got his Of course, they're not using the couch because No. Why would they want to sit on a nice, comfy couch when you've been, sleeping in a drainpipe? You can you lay on the floor, of course. Yes. But they're by the fire. It looks like they're drinking champagne. They're having a romantic evening, And he kind of muses that all Candy had to do was follow Freddie's girlfriend to where Freddie was and get the ticket herself. Laura says she didn't strike her as the murdering kind, and Steele agrees, saying he doesn't understand that himself. But Grieve obviously got the better of her. Laura realizes that she sent them to Pittsburgh, Phil, knowing full well how he would react to seeing them alive. Steele adds that it gave her ample time to bribe Harrigan to use his track connections to help her cash the ticket without undue publicity. She says, unfortunately for Harrigan, greed got the better of her again. Steele says it's ironic they spent the last 2 days without a penny in their pocket and all because of a ticket worth well over$1,000,000. Laura says it's amazing how little they can survive on if they really have, and she stops. Her eyes growing wide as she asks if that's his foot on her leg. Oh, I like how it is here. He's like, he grins, and they kiss. But I realize this is just kind of an inconsequential little tag, but I do like that she is sort of realizing how little you can survive on and and maybe what that feels like even if it's interrupted by him playing footsie. So, yeah. They kiss, and then we go into the freeze. Not the season 3 freeze, just the regular freeze. Mhmm. And that's and that is the end of the episode. Did you survive?

Speaker 1: 2:32:53

I survived. I survived.

Speaker 0: 2:32:54

But I don't, But it's a it's fun. It's a you've got all the zaniness of, like, season 1 here with a nun and a loan shark and and jockeys. I don't know. It's just I have a

Speaker 1: 2:33:05

And more holes than you can drive a truck through.

Speaker 0: 2:33:08

Yeah. But I mean, don't mind the plot hole so much if the rest of the episode is entertaining. I guess I'm I'm willing to forgive it if it's and and to be honest, like I said, until I started taking notes for this, I didn't notice them as much. It's only until I but I did I did learn that the nun and Candy were 2 different people, so

Speaker 1: 2:33:31

Yeah. So made progress there.

Speaker 0: 2:33:34

I've only seen this episode probably, like, 10 times, but, hey, you know, whatever. Whatever. Yeah. Any other thoughts on this 1?

Speaker 1: 2:33:42

No. No.

Speaker 0: 2:33:44

We're heading towards the end here. We've only got 2 so, yeah, we got the website, www.steelwatching.com, where you'll find show notes for, I think, the 1 and only movie reference, which we got close to the top, which was kind of brushed away just to kind of sneak a movie reference in there and links to Amazon US and Amazon Canada, as well as social media resources and links such as?

Speaker 1: 2:34:09

The official Steele Watching Facebook page, the official Twitter and Instagram pages, and of course, the link to the ever popular, but totally unofficial for us, Steele Watchers fan group on Facebook. And also those links that you can use to support us financially or to share with your friends so that they can subscribe and follow the podcast in their favorite podcast player other than Spotify.

Speaker 0: 2:34:36

Okay. What so I have to ask though, but what what else do would you listen? Because like, I listen to all my music on Spotify. What else am I gonna listen to?

Speaker 1: 2:34:44

What's Spotify Spotify is apparently pretty good for music, but there's the What's bad about it? Experience.

Speaker 0: 2:34:53

Tell tell me tell me what's bad about it. Because I don't know. I did seems to me perfectly fine. Mean, it play. It plays. What else do I need?

Speaker 1: 2:35:01

Well, for example, if you're gonna go look at the show notes on on Spotify, it loses a lot of the formatting. Any any link, like we we link to Amazon pages, those disappear. Those those don't show up in Spotify. Plus, there's other features that some of these other apps have such as if you are 1 of those people that likes to listen at a slightly faster speed or even 2 times speed, you can do that easily in the other apps. They have advanced audio processing for voice, specifically for voice.

Speaker 0: 2:35:36

Oh, man. That means like if they just if people decided to speed us up, we'd sound like the chipmunks.

Speaker 1: 2:35:41

Yes. No. We'd just be they they also have like silence skipping that helps reduce the amount of dead space in in somebody's speech if they pause for a long time. So there's there's a lot of of of features. Oh, for example, some podcasts have chapters and they have chapter art to illustrate what they're talking about with each portion of the podcast. Spotify doesn't show those. These other Okay. Apps generally do.

Speaker 0: 2:36:10

So to be fair, I'm assuming though that Spotify is is essentially for people like myself who listen in their car, and don't really pay that much attention to all the other stuff, because like, I I don't, like, I've never honestly looked for the show notes because I'm in my car, and I can't be clicking around buttons while I'm driving. Right? I'm the kind of person that I can't sit down and listen to something just in my house. I can't do that. My ADHD won't let me, so the only time I can listen to podcasts is in the car, in which case I can't really concentrate on anything other than the fact that I'm driving, so I'm assuming that's the market that Spotify is meant for. Therefore, I am the perfect

Speaker 1: 2:36:50

customer. Spotify is just wanting to get people who are already using it for music to

Speaker 0: 2:36:54

Yeah.

Speaker 1: 2:36:55

Use it for their their podcasts. And Spotify also I don't I don't think they do it on our show, but on a lot of podcasts, they insert their own ads.

Speaker 0: 2:37:05

I did notice

Speaker 1: 2:37:06

to do with the podcast itself. The podcasters did not put those ads in. Yeah. Spotify does that. And it's it's like watching a YouTube video and all of a sudden an ad for, you know, Soylent Green comes up or whatever. And it's very, very annoying. And they're making the money off they're basically they're they're basically cheating the podcasters or in YouTube's case, the YouTubers by collecting money and not sharing it with them. And people say, well, I make all this money from YouTube. Well, no, you really don't. And you have to achieve a certain level before you earn a dime from Spotify or from YouTube. And until you reach that level, all the ads that they run, they collect the money on.

Speaker 0: 2:37:53

So So what would be a good podcast app than other than Spotify if you're not, like, doing what I'm doing, which is just listening in your car?

Speaker 1: 2:38:01

Well, 1 1 that's universal, both Apple and, Android, is Pocket Casts.

Speaker 0: 2:38:08

Okay.

Speaker 1: 2:38:10

And it just happens to be owned by the same people that own WordPress. So it's it's free. They have They they have a subscription. They they have ads in the app Right. That show up on screen, but they don't interrupt the show. And you can also subscribe to get rid of those ads and get additional features. So Right. Yeah. For somebody that that is looking for a good universal podcast app, Pocket Casts. Plus there's there's podcasts out there that aren't in Spotify that people have chosen not to put there. And it's easier in most cases to find those and add those in something like Pocket Cast than it is to try and add them to Spotify. So

Speaker 0: 2:38:53

Somebody 1 of our commenters said, I don't use Spotify because Neil Young said to stop listening to Spotify and who am I to argue with Neil Young? Good point. Neil Young yeah. Yeah. I didn't realize Neil had said that. I I I'm gonna have to rethink my life. So

Speaker 1: 2:39:08

Yeah. Well, the the the the interesting part of that is that he made this public pronouncement and yanked all his music off of Spotify, and then when nobody was looking, he put it back on.

Speaker 0: 2:39:20

Is it back on?

Speaker 1: 2:39:21

Yes. Yeah. He didn't stay out for very long.

Speaker 0: 2:39:25

Nail.

Speaker 1: 2:39:26

Because it was costing him money, so he he

Speaker 0: 2:39:28

put it all back on. Anyhoo. Okay. I'm sorry to derail it. I was just curious because like I said, all I do is I listen in the car, and so therefore, to me, it seems like, anyway, it does what it says on the tin. But pod Pocket Casts? C Sizes?

Speaker 1: 2:39:42

Pocket Casts. Okay.

Speaker 0: 2:39:43

Cool. I'll have a look into that.

Speaker 1: 2:39:44

And that's 1 I use. Alright. Our next episode.

Speaker 0: 2:39:48

Steele, alive, and kicking. Yes. Yeah.

Speaker 1: 2:39:53

Which is I think vaguely based on something. I I seem to recall it being similar to something that happened in real life. But anyway Interesting.

Speaker 0: 2:40:07

Okay. Well, that'll

Speaker 1: 2:40:08

will have to look that up to see if we can figure that 1 out. But, yeah.

Speaker 0: 2:40:12

Alright. Well, thanks for everyone for listening and we'll see you oh, not we won't see you, but you'll hear us next time.

Speaker 1: 2:40:18

Bye bye, everybody.

Speaker 0: 2:40:20

Bye bye.